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Author:  Jasbar [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

So it's the yearly licence renewal time.

Now, with the magic 60 approaching, it's medical time.

What I want to know is, what's the point?

With no medical history declared, what is there to enquire about? Or is it they don't trust me, and other drivers, to tell the truth? Imagine that.

And, with licence renewal annually, will there be another one next year?

never mind, a good chance to dig out someone you don't like eh?

=D>

What made me laugh though is the warning that a sample of urine will be required. Quality or what?

Don't we all know the council have been taking the p*ss for years :lol:

Author:  toots [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

I'm not really sure what you're point is tbh. Are you suggesting there should be no checks and councils should just take the word of the driver that they're fit and healthy?

Author:  gusmac [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

Isn't it age discrimination to accept the drivers' word that he's healthy when he's under 60, and not to when he's over 60?

Author:  Skull [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

Surely, if they were that concerned about public safety, Tachographs would be the first step and the health of the driver second. You can be as fit as a fiddle but as dead as a doornail along with your passengers, if you happen to fall asleep at the wheel.

What's the greatest threat to the public, health or tiredness?

So your driver passes his medical but then kills you or a member of your family because he's too knackered to keep his eyes open. :?

Something not quite right about this requirement, I'm not actually sure what they are trying to achieve.

I suppose it allows the driver to die healthy, if not a little exhausted. :?

Author:  toots [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

gusmac wrote:
Isn't it age discrimination to accept the drivers' word that he's healthy when he's under 60, and not to when he's over 60?


Don't they have a medical before they're 60?

Author:  toots [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

Skull wrote:
Surely, if they were that concerned about public safety, Tachographs would be the first step and the health of the driver second. You can be as fit as a fiddle but as dead as a doornail along with your passengers, if you happen to fall asleep at the wheel.

What's the greatest threat to the public, health or tiredness?

So your driver passes his medical but then kills you or a member of your family because he's too knackered to keep his eyes open. :?

Something not quite right about this requirement, I'm not actually sure what they are trying to achieve.

I suppose it allows the driver to die healthy, if not a little exhausted. :?


They're probably just covering their own backs by ensuring the driver has a medical. It's due diligence

Author:  gusmac [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

toots wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Isn't it age discrimination to accept the drivers' word that he's healthy when he's under 60, and not to when he's over 60?


Don't they have a medical before they're 60?


Not here, unless you declare a medical condition. Don't know about Edinburgh.

Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

gusmac wrote:
Isn't it age discrimination to accept the drivers' word that he's healthy when he's under 60, and not to when he's over 60?


Well it's a bit like any age limit for anything - they can be debated until the cows come home, but at the end of the day that's just the way things are done and have to be done.

I suppose they just think that 60 is the age when medical problems start coming to the fore. Of course, for many it may happen before that, or after, but where do you draw the line?

But whatever the precise age, things like blood pressure, cholestorol, blood sugar etc tend to increase with age, and eyesight deteriorates, and there may be excess protein in your kidneys, suggesting that they're deteriorating. And that's just the basic markers of health.

Who knows, a compulsory medical could uncover something important, even if it doesn't stop you driving a taxi :)

Author:  Jasbar [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

Dusty Bin wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Isn't it age discrimination to accept the drivers' word that he's healthy when he's under 60, and not to when he's over 60?


Well it's a bit like any age limit for anything - they can be debated until the cows come home, but at the end of the day that's just the way things are done and have to be done.

I suppose they just think that 60 is the age when medical problems start coming to the fore. Of course, for many it may happen before that, or after, but where do you draw the line?

But whatever the precise age, things like blood pressure, cholestorol, blood sugar etc tend to increase with age, and eyesight deterioates, and there may be excess protein in your kidneys, suggesting that they're deteriorating. And that's just the basic markers of health.

Who knows, a compulsory medical could uncover something important, even if it doesn't stop you driving a taxi :)


No problems for me on any of these scores dusty.

Last time I was at the docs she checked all of these for me. And everything was fine.

My problem? OK I'll confide in you because I know the council doesn't read any of this nonsense so it's just between us :wink:

Said to the doc: 'Doctor I've developed an intense interest in flagellation ... as well as a curious fascination with necrophila ... and I'm also beginning to find the possibility of bestiality quite appealing.'

She tapped into her computer, and tapped into it again ... looked at me and punched her keyboard for a few seconds more, before swirling round in her chair and saying, 'Don't worry about it Jasbar, it's quite common among aspirant serfs apparently ...

... you're just flogging a dead horse.'

:lol:

Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

Ah well you're doing quite well for 60 then =D>

But I was kind of talking in general terms - I'm sure it'd help some drivers and maybe weed out some drivers with real problems.

Author:  Jasbar [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

Yeah, I guess we do have to be VET ... ted, eh?

:lol:

Sorry ...

Author:  gusmac [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

I'm still under 50, never mind 60 so if my health was a risk to the public (which it isn't I might add), it would be well over a decade before the council found out.

I personally have no problem with medical checks but an arbitrary over 60 policy seems quite bizarre.
There are plenty under 60 who don't get checked so the question is how does such a policy protect the public?

The answer is it doesn't.

Author:  captain cab [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

well i'm just over 40, ive had one heart attack and each time i get a pain in my chest i think im going to kill my passengers, i think we should all have medicals every quarter, just to protect the public from our bodies failing, obviously you can recieve a decent discount as cab drivers from my side business....quacks inc, instead of the standard £75 consultation, I'll charge you £50, but will insist on a full an*l check (its a little like an enhanced CRB, but involves a bunny), its got f*ck all to do with any medical ailment, but it makes me feel one hell of a lot better. :D .

Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

gusmac wrote:
I'm still under 50, never mind 60 so if my health was a risk to the public (which it isn't I might add), it would be well over a decade before the council found out.

I personally have no problem with medical checks but an arbitrary over 60 policy seems quite bizarre.
There are plenty under 60 who don't get checked so the question is how does such a policy protect the public?

The answer is it doesn't.


So which 'arbitrary' age would you prefer then?

Or are you saying that 20-year-olds should be subject to the same regime as 70-year-olds?

Or that drivers of any age shouldn't be tested at all?

I doubt if such an approach would find favour, even from the politically correct why cry discrimination if everyone in the UK doesn't have a first class honours degree :D

Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Are medicals the new intrusive ageism?

captain cab wrote:
well i'm just over 40, ive had one heart attack and each time i get a pain in my chest i think im going to kill my passengers, i think we should all have medicals every quarter, just to protect the public from our bodies failing, obviously you can recieve a decent discount as cab drivers from my side business....quacks inc, instead of the standard £75 consultation, I'll charge you £50, but will insist on a full an*l check (its a little like an enhanced CRB, but involves a bunny), its got f*ck all to do with any medical ailment, but it makes me feel one hell of a lot better. :D .


Gosh, just a youngster then?

Did they tell you what might have caused your heart attack?

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