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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:36 am 
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Rethink on CCTV in Sheffield taxis after attack


CAMERAS could be installed in Sheffield taxis to improve safety after an ‘appalling’ attack which left a driver blinded in one eye.

Sheffield Council says it will reconsider mandatory CCTV in its 857 Hackney cabs - a move council chiefs say has come about following the attack on Arshad Mahmood, who was hit in the face with a glass bottle.

The dad-of-three - who had simply asked his attacker not to drink alcohol in the vehicle - has lost the sight in his right eye.

Today Mr Mahmood’s family and taxi drivers welcomed the idea of cameras in Sheffield cabs - an initiative which could be rolled out to private hire vehicles if approved.

His wife Arsheed Mahmood told The Star: “Taxi drivers are there to take people home, not to suffer abuse.

“I think this would be a good idea because you would be able to catch people more easily and it might stop people doing things like this.

“It should have happened a long time ago but it is a good thing the council is talking about doing something about it and taking us seriously.”

Arshad, 40, was working as a private hire driver for City Taxis at the time of the unprovoked incident on Fox Hill Road.

He is now back home in Nether Edge but will need further surgery.

Arsheed added: “I have not been able to sleep properly, and now that Arshad has come home for a couple of weeks we’re trying to get back to normal.

“But we have to understand that things will never be back to normal.”

The council’s licensing committee is to look again at putting cameras in Hackney cabs, with the earliest date for a meeting in September, to prevent or reduce serious assaults.

Consultations will be held with taxi trade representatives.

Coun John Robson, chairman of the licensing committee, said: “In 2007 the licensing committee looked into the mandatory provision of CCTV cameras in taxis, but at that time was not convinced of their necessity.

“In view of this appalling attack we will now re-examine that decision.

“If we decide to make CCTV mandatory in all Hackney carriages we will look at ways to roll out the scheme further to ensure the safety of other taxi drivers and passengers.

“No decision has been made - it is likely to be legally complex - but we will look into the issue.”

Taxi drivers said verbal, and sometimes physical, attacks were common as was the problem of people running away without paying.

Driver Ajaz Ahmed said: “I think cameras are a great idea. A few years ago they started to put some in.

“The way things are these days, it’s getting worse and worse with 24-hour pubbing and clubbing.

“We’re are getting more abuse from people, especially when they’re drunk.

“I would welcome it - anything for safety of the drivers and passengers.”

source: http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/new ... -1-4788145

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:22 am 
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I suspect there are a bunch of drivers, who don't want mandatory CCTV, who think a few blind or dead cabbies is a price worth paying to get their way.

They will play to the gallery about it being illegal, about audio being demonic, and a pile of lies as tall as the Shard.

But hey, as long as it's not them that are blind or dead, they don't give a f***. [-X

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:15 am 
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Arshad, 40, was working as a private hire driver for City Taxis at the time of the unprovoked incident on Fox Hill Road.


How will fitting CCTV in all of Sheffields 857 Hackney Cabs help this guy though...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:33 am 
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Chester J.D. wrote:
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Arshad, 40, was working as a private hire driver for City Taxis at the time of the unprovoked incident on Fox Hill Road.


How will fitting CCTV in all of Sheffields 857 Hackney Cabs help this guy though...



I shouldnt speed read....I missed that........very good point =D>

I wonder if the PH operator has sometype of liability here?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:40 am 
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captain cab wrote:
I wonder if the PH operator has sometype of liability here?


No more than an HC baro...er...proprietor to an HC ser...er...jockey, I suspect

Ie, self-employed, innit?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:46 am 
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captain cab wrote:
Chester J.D. wrote:
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Arshad, 40, was working as a private hire driver for City Taxis at the time of the unprovoked incident on Fox Hill Road.


How will fitting CCTV in all of Sheffields 857 Hackney Cabs help this guy though...



I shouldnt speed read....I missed that........very good point =D>

I wonder if the PH operator has sometype of liability here?


Maybe I shouldn`t speed read either :oops:

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Today Mr Mahmood’s family and taxi drivers welcomed the idea of cameras in Sheffield cabs - an initiative which could be rolled out to private hire vehicles if approved.


I personally would welcome CCTV in my cab if a reliable and affordable system was available.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:03 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
captain cab wrote:
I wonder if the PH operator has sometype of liability here?


No more than an HC baro...er...proprietor to an HC ser...er...jockey, I suspect

Ie, self-employed, innit?



Really? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course, the HC driver doesnt control the work under the direct control of the HC proprietor, unlike a pseudo private hire employee.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:39 pm 
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Really? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course, the HC driver doesnt control the work under the direct control of the HC proprietor, unlike a pseudo private hire employee.


Not sure if your're quite saying what you meant to say here, but I think I know what you mean. :roll:

Anyway, as usual it's a bit less straightforward than you like to portray it, particularly where circuits are concerned.

I mean, were the Casey Cabs HC props and/or drivers allowed to do as they pleased?


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I mean, were the Casey Cabs HC props and/or drivers allowed to do as they pleased?



In my opinion and from experience, HC's are a pain in the ar$e on any radio circuit....as soon as ranks start getting busy the radios get switched off.

Of course, Stringfllows said that Miss Quashie wasn't an employee either;

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKEAT/20 ... _2604.html

The court said she was.

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Chester J.D. wrote:
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Arshad, 40, was working as a private hire driver for City Taxis at the time of the unprovoked incident on Fox Hill Road.


How will fitting CCTV in all of Sheffields 857 Hackney Cabs help this guy though...

It would have helped, and it will help out others in future.

However most wont know about it, as the deterrent effect can't be quantified.

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Sheffield taxi CCTV plan hits legal snag

MOVES to introduce cameras into black cabs in Sheffield could never see the light of day after the Government forced another city to stop recording taxi passengers.

Sheffield Council said it would consider introducing CCTV in the city’s 857 Hackney cabs, after taxi driver Arshad Mahmood was hit in the face with a broken bottle, losing the sight in one eye.

The 40-year-old father was attacked on Fox Hill Road after he asked a passenger not to drink alcohol in the vehicle.

But now it has emerged councillors may have to take on the Government if they are serious about the plan - after Southampton City Council was forced to stop recording in taxis.

Government Information Commissioner Christopher Graham, told it to change its rules to protect passengers’ privacy.

Mr Graham said Southampton Council, which for the last three years has required all taxis to install CCTV, had ‘gone too far’.

He added: “It is only right that the privacy of drivers and passengers is respected.

“We hope this action sends a clear message to local authorities that they must properly consider all the legal obligations before requiring the installation of CCTV or similar equipment.”

Sheffield solicitor Peter Wright, of city centre-based Taylor Bracewell, said the council could face a £500,000 fine.

He said: “The ICO has made this decision due to its view that the invasion of privacy is not warranted by the potential risks to drivers and passengers in black cabs.

“The council may be better placed to compile evidence of criminal assault on drivers or passengers in Sheffield and present the evidence, while arguing that the risk does warrant this measure in this city.”

Coun John Robson, chair of the Sheffield’s licensing committee, said: “As yet no decision has been made.

“We will look into the legal challenges when we re-examine the decision at our next meeting.”

Mr Mahmood is back home in Nether Edge but needs more surgery.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/she ... -1-4799433

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