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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/tr ... -1-2610555 By ALASTAIR DALTON The Scotsman Friday 2 November 2012 18:00 MSPs have voted overwhelmingly to back the Scottish Government’s plan to cut the drink-drive limit. The limit is now expected to be lowered from the current UK-wide level of 80mg of alcohol to 50mg following a consultation that ends on 29 November. The SNP’s quest for greater powers to tackle drink-driving – such as a lower limit for young and novice drivers, and random testing – also won support from Labour at Holyrood yesterday. MSPs voted by 100 to 12 in favour of changing the limit and seeking powers to implement additional measures, as an Ipsos Mori poll showed 70 per cent of Scots backed cutting the limit, with 25 per cent opposed. Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill suggested up to half the average 30 deaths a year caused by drink-driving could be saved if the limit was reduced. He said: “The people of Scotland are fed-up with drink-drivers and their poor excuses. It is both remarkable and tragic that a significant minority of drivers still ignore the warnings. “We believe the current limit has had its day. The time is right for a change that will bring Scotland in line with the vast majority of Europe. “If you look at the drink-driving limits across Europe, it is only the UK and Malta that have a legal alcohol concentration limit of 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood.” Holyrood was given powers to change the drink-drive and national speed limits in the recent Scotland Act, but not to introduce random testing. Calling for additional powers, Mr MacAskill said: “We wanted a package of powers devolved that would allow us to consider whether the police should be able to carry out breath-testing on drivers any time, anywhere. “We also called for powers to consider differential drink-driving limits, for example for young and novice drivers. And we also sought powers to change the penalties for drivers. None of these were considered by the UK government.” The Scottish Government said it was not considering a zero limit because of the effect of food and medicines. But Aberdeenshire West SNP MSP Dennis Robertson said even the planned 50mg limit might be too high. Labour justice spokesman Lewis Macdonald said he was “not, in principle, opposed to further devolution” of more drink-driving powers, and added that there was strong evidence that random testing could be effective. He said random testing could be looked at in future, but cutting the drink-drive limit should be the priority. Mr Macdonald’s Labour colleague Richard Simpson argued that any cut in the limit must be properly resourced by the government. He said that cutting the alcohol limit to 50mg was the “right limit at present to refresh the policy” and lead to a fall in drink-driving. “We need more publicity,” said Mr Simpson. “We need a campaign, and not just at Christmas. We need proper enforcement of the laws, and I hope that that will indeed occur. “Introducing a new drink-driving threshold without additional resources could seriously hamper any benefits.” But Conservative transport spokesman Alex Johnstone said the lower limit could have “unintended consequences”. He said: “The people who are drinking and driving and causing many of the accidents, injuries and deaths are people who are already two or three or five times over the legal limit as it stands today.” Mr Johnstone said that reducing the limit could result in the police shifting their attention away from this group to others who could be just over any new drink-driving limit. |
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
"Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill suggested up to half the average 30 deaths a year caused by drink-driving could be saved if the limit was reduced." Is there any evidence to support what MacAskill suggests or is this more crystal-ball politics on behalf of the Scottish Nasty Party? 
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
I'm on the fence with the DD rule, but I would like to see new drivers speed restricted, some of them pass there tests then speed around the towns using them as race tracks, when there on the open roads they just floor it So if there vehicles where restricted to 56 MPG many would survive on the open roads |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
Skull wrote: "Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill suggested up to half the average 30 deaths a year caused by drink-driving could be saved if the limit was reduced." Is there any evidence to support what MacAskill suggests or is this more crystal-ball politics on behalf of the Scottish Nasty Party? Wont save any lives..no ones Drunk at the current level, they'ed be better targetting the real P1ssheads on the road, the Habitual Road Alkies.. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
I think this is excellent news. The message is very clear..If you're going to drive, don't drink. No more excuses. Every drink driver has got one and they seem more and more pathetic now than they were 30 or 40 years ago when this sort of shit was considered acceptable. Will it cut deaths? Maybe, maybe not. But if it saves one innocent life, it's worth it. 
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
bloodnock wrote: Wont save any lives..no ones Drunk at the current level, They're not exactly sober either.  Quote: they'ed be better targetting the real P1ssheads on the road, the Habitual Road Alkies.. This new limit, coupled with random testing will catch a few of the hungover and drive to work in the morning brigade. It will also allow the cops to run drink driver traps on stretches of road where the regular road alkies are more common. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
Skull wrote: "Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill suggested up to half the average 30 deaths a year caused by drink-driving could be saved if the limit was reduced." Is there any evidence to support what MacAskill suggests or is this more crystal-ball politics on behalf of the Scottish Nasty Party? Well if it is, at 100 votes to 12, it's safe to assume that it's more than just the SNP gazing into the crystal ball. How any professional driver could oppose this beats me.
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
Quote: "gusmac"]I think this is excellent news. The message is very clear..If you're going to drive, don't drink. No more excuses. Every drink driver has got one and they seem more and more pathetic now than they were 30 or 40 years ago when this sort of shit was considered acceptable. Will it cut deaths? Maybe, maybe not. But if it saves one innocent life, it's worth it. I'll take that as a no.  Is there any evidence to support what MacAskill suggests or is this more crystal-ball politics on behalf of the Scottish Nasty Party? The truth is, MacAskill couldn't care less about whether or not lowering the limit saves lives. This is a PR stunt. 
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
Skull wrote: This is a PR stunt. In 6 months, nobody is going to remember who's idea this was. I doubt anyone will give a shit either. Not really much of a stunt
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
gusmac wrote: Skull wrote: This is a PR stunt. In 6 months, nobody is going to remember who's idea this was. I doubt anyone will give a shit either. Not really much of a stunt The little tartan people are unlikely to allow anyone to forget it. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
Skull wrote: gusmac wrote: Skull wrote: This is a PR stunt. In 6 months, nobody is going to remember who's idea this was. I doubt anyone will give a shit either. Not really much of a stunt The little tartan people are unlikely to allow anyone to forget it. Only the stupid would oppose this. Or those who are likely to get caught.  Anyway, since were all doomed, what does it matter? December 21st 2012 isn't far away now. http://www.2012supplies.com/countdown.html Quote: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill Talking about yourself again Skull? |
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
gusmac wrote: Skull wrote: "Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill suggested up to half the average 30 deaths a year caused by drink-driving could be saved if the limit was reduced." Is there any evidence to support what MacAskill suggests or is this more crystal-ball politics on behalf of the Scottish Nasty Party? Well if it is, at 100 votes to 12, it's safe to assume that it's more than just the SNP gazing into the crystal ball. How any professional driver could oppose this beats me. You see Gusmac, that's the problem with little tartan people, they actually believe their politicians give a [edited by admin], and don't just make it up as they go along.
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
Skull wrote: little tartan people Skull wrote: Scottish Nasty Party Skull wrote: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill http://www.2012supplies.com/countdown.html |
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| Author: | Skull [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
gusmac wrote: Skull wrote: little tartan people Skull wrote: Scottish Nasty Party Skull wrote: A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill http://www.2012supplies.com/countdown.html I doubt it. I've got nothing to be fanatical about, unlike the little tartan people who support Independence. Tell me, you don't honestly believe that Salmond and MacAskill really give a [edited by admin] about people like you?
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| Author: | gusmac [ Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSPs vote to lower limit for drink driving |
Skull wrote: I've got nothing to be fanatical about, unlike the little tartan people who support Independence. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill http://www.2012supplies.com/countdown.html |
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