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Author:  gusmac [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:21 pm ]
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Anti-independence parties plot to expel independent Scotland from the EU

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Tuesday, 06 November 2012 06:12


By a Newsnet reporter

Politicians from anti-independence parties from Scotland and Spain are to meet in order to agree a formal collaboration aimed at co-ordinating arguments against an independent Scotland and Catalonia remaining members of the European Union.

According to the newspaper El Periódico de Catalunya, a senior figure in the Spanish Conservative party, the Partido Popular (PP), will fly to Scotland to meet with Scottish Conservative and Labour politicians in order to agree a united front against independence.

The newspaper has revealed that Esteban González Pons, the PP's Vice-Secretary of Studies and Programmes, will meet with unnamed Labour and Tory representatives in December.

The meeting follows negotiations conducted between Mr González Pons and senior figures in the Conservative party during the party’s October conference in Birmingham. December’s trip is expected to see the finalising of discussions before the signing of an accord that was reached at the conference.

The Spanish party are seeking agreements that would allow existing EU member states to veto the membership of newly independent countries.

In the article, the Catalan language newspaper says [English translation in brackets]:

El vicesecretari d' Estudis i Programes del PP, Estaban González Pons, ha negociat la firma d'un acord de col•laboració política amb els conservadors britànics, que es posarà negre sobre blanc al desembre a Madrid.

[The vice-secretary of Studies and Programmes of the PP, Esteban González Pons, has negotiated the signing of an accord of political collaboration with the British Conservatives, which will be put in black and white in December in Madrid.]

El dirigent conservador va participar a Birmingham en la convenció dels conservadors britànics, on es va reunir amb els principals lìders per fixar posició.

[The leading conservative attended the conference of the British Conservatives in Birmingham, where he met with the principal leaders in order to fix a position.]

El vicesecretari d'Estudis del PP, que té previst viatjar al mes de desembre vinent a Escòcia per entrevistar-se amb conservadors i laboristes, lamenta que CiU hagi emprès el camí de la "política màgica" en aquest moment de greu inestabilitat econòmica.

[The vice-secretary of Studies of the PP, who has planned a trip to Scotland the coming month of December in order to meet with Conservatives and Labour, complains that the CiU [the party pressing for a Catalan referendum] has undertaken the path of "political magic" in this moment of grave economic instability.]

Although the PP has consistently maintained that the constitutional and legal situations of Catalonia and Scotland are incomparable, the Spanish party is seeking to build a common front between parties opposed to independence and to give the same response to demands for Scottish or Catalan sovereignty.

In the article, Mr González Pons said: "Catalonia and Scotland are different regions and have different problems, but the response has to be a joint one."

The Partido Popular also sought to raise the issue at the congress of the European Popular Party, a bloc of right wing and conservative parties in the European Parliament, held in the Romanian capital Bucharest two weeks ago.

The party hopes to gain an agreement with right wing parties from other EU member states to block the accession to the EU of any European territory which seeks independence from the state of which it currently forms a part.

Although there has been no ruling from the European Commission on the status of an independent Scotland or Catalonia, the Partido Popular hopes to gain enough support from fellow conservatives to force the issue in the European Parliament, and achieve a vote in favour of imposing their preferred position. The agreement due to be signed between the Partido Popular and the British Conservatives in Madrid in December is believed to form a key part of this strategy.

The meetings raise serious questions for Labour and the Conservatives, and opens them to the accusation that they are actively plotting with foreign political parties to damage Scotland's interests in the event that the referendum vote does not go the way they want. The secret meetings between senior Conservatives and the PP will be seen by some as a clear demonstration that the UK government is engaged in an active campaign to create uncertainty and insecurity about the future of an independent Scotland.

In agreeing to meet with Mr González Pons, Labour in Scotland risks considerable political damage. The report that the Labour party is prepared to reach a deal with the Spanish Partido Popular, the political heirs to the party of the dictator General Franco, will sit uneasily with party members who are proud of the role played by Scottish socialists of the International Brigade who fought against Franco during the Spanish Civil War.

One of the demands of the anti-fascist forces was the right of Catalonia to determine its own future

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/sc ... rom-the-eu
Author:  sunset [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anti-independence parties plot to expel independent Scot
Welcome to the scottish section of taxi driver online YAWN

Hijacked by the indys who see a new day dawning, a day with no corrupt politicians , a day with accountable honest men and woman in control of our country, should be a nice blissful heavenly place to live

Vote yes because all our politicians are going to change into very nice people indeed
Author:  bloodnock [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:03 pm ]
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Like the majority of right thinking people I'd rather be out of the EU anyway, it sucks!...and if I thought and independent Scotland would secure that goal then I might just mellow my unionist stance.
Author:  gusmac [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:19 pm ]
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Isn't anyone remotely interested in the fact that Scottish politicians are actively conspiring with a foriegn power (Spain) to undermine the interests of the very people they supposedly represent?

Wonder what it would be called if they did the same to the UK's interests?
Author:  sunset [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:28 pm ]
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You cant take anything in print as gospel too much spin going about and might i say that is the problem they all talk shecth


I was more concerned about Salmond conspiring with Souter



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcE86JmIN3E


This is the man for the job
Author:  bloodnock [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anti-independence parties plot to expel independent Scot
gusmac wrote:
Isn't anyone remotely interested in the fact that Scottish politicians are actively conspiring with a foriegn power (Spain) to undermine the interests of the very people they supposedly represent?

Wonder what it would be called if they did the same to the UK's interests?


No..I'm more worried about the SNP undermining Scottish politics.
Author:  gusmac [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anti-independence parties plot to expel independent Scot
bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Isn't anyone remotely interested in the fact that Scottish politicians are actively conspiring with a foriegn power (Spain) to undermine the interests of the very people they supposedly represent?

Wonder what it would be called if they did the same to the UK's interests?


No..I'm more worried about the SNP undermining Scottish politics.


Without the SNP there probably wouldn't be any Scottish politics.
Tory Liberal and Labour are under London control and toe the London line. :wink:
Author:  Nidge2 [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:18 am ]
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I've had a bit of a look at those civil service jobs that will go when you vote "YES". All enquiries to do with immigration are handled in Wick, these jobs would be moved to England. The National Savings Bank is based in Glasgow, these jobs would be moved to England. A significant number of tax, welfare and education civil service jobs are also located in Scotland and would need to be moved to England.
I think this shows we should all campaign for a Yes vote - the impact on jobs in England would be significant. :D :D :D :D
Author:  bloodnock [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anti-independence parties plot to expel independent Scot
gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Isn't anyone remotely interested in the fact that Scottish politicians are actively conspiring with a foriegn power (Spain) to undermine the interests of the very people they supposedly represent?

Wonder what it would be called if they did the same to the UK's interests?


No..I'm more worried about the SNP undermining Scottish politics.


Without the SNP there probably wouldn't be any Scottish politics.
Tory Liberal and Labour are under London control and toe the London line. :wink:



I preferred the Westminster line..its that bunch of amateur political fannys at holyrood I dislike.
Author:  gusmac [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anti-independence parties plot to expel independent Scot
Nidge2 wrote:
I've had a bit of a look at those civil service jobs that will go when you vote "YES". All enquiries to do with immigration are handled in Wick, these jobs would be moved to England. The National Savings Bank is based in Glasgow, these jobs would be moved to England. A significant number of tax, welfare and education civil service jobs are also located in Scotland and would need to be moved to England.
I think this shows we should all campaign for a Yes vote - the impact on jobs in England would be significant. :D :D :D :D


Do what you like. The choice isn't yours :p

You could of course start a campaign for English independence. :idea:
Author:  gusmac [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Anti-independence parties plot to expel independent Scot
Nidge2 wrote:
I've had a bit of a look at those civil service jobs that will go when you vote "YES".

Better look again then because you've made some basic errors in your thinking.

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All enquiries to do with immigration are handled in Wick, these jobs would be moved to England.

A Scottish state will need it's own immigration department. Any losses from the few jobs located here by the UK governments immigration dept would be more than made up.
BTW Do you know how many people are actually employed in Wick to answer immigration enquires?

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The National Savings Bank is based in Glasgow, these jobs would be moved to England.

Again, Do you know how many people are actually employed in Glasgow by the former post office national savings bank, now called NS&I ?

Quote:
A significant number of tax, welfare and education civil service jobs are also located in Scotland and would need to be moved to England.

Again you make the same mistaken assumption. A Scottish state would need tax, welfare and education civil servants, as well as other civil service jobs which are not currently located here. I would be very surprised if the result wasn't a considerable net gain in public sector jobs for Scotland.

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I think this shows we should all campaign for a Yes vote - the impact on jobs in England would be significant. :D :D :D :D

Who says the departments you mention won't be relocated to Wales or Northern Ireland? Another England=UK assumption. [-X
You really should give all this a little more thought.
Author:  Craig25 [ Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:52 am ]
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Civil service jobs in Scotland are only here as its the cheapest place for Westminster to put them, partly down to the fact they have pushed so much private business down south.

A vote for the union is a vote to remain a 2nd class citizen in your own country.
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