grandad wrote:
I took the car for an mot as required without doing anything to it and it passed. Go figure!
Did you make a formal complaint?
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complaint |
Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complaint TAXI drivers in Derby claim over-zealous inspectors are losing them business by taking cars off the road for minor issues such as damage to their paintwork. But the city council has rejected the claims, angering the drivers and taxi unions. Cabs are inspected routinely but can also be subjected to spot checks by the council and police. Taxi drivers say the inspectors sometimes order the cars off the road for repairs which are not necessary. They raised the issue as a common complaint at Derby City Council's taxi licensing committee, which ordered an investigation. The subsequent report concludes the allegations are unfounded. But Javed Khan, of the Derby Area Operators Association, said: "The officers stop the cars and take them off the road for little bits which wouldn't be of any danger or risk to the public, things like paintwork being damaged. "As soon as they do that, the car has to go to the garage so drivers are losing money. "I've known some drivers go to a licensed testing station and get their car examined only to drive out, be stopped by an officer and told the car is not fit. How can that be right?" The council's response was that it did not intervene at the approved testing stations, which carry out examinations on its behalf. Other complaints raised were that standards were different across the testing stations in Derby. The report by council officers states: "Suggestions that licences are suspended for minor defects are not supported by the evidence." Out of a fleet of about 1,160 taxis, 218 were tested at the roadside over a six-month period this year, with 63 found to be unfit and having their licences suspended. Of the 63, 17 were inspected jointly with the police or the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency. Councillor Paul Pegg, one of the taxi licensing committee's vice-chairmen, said he had confidence in the evidence in the report. "We have a duty of care to the public as far as I'm concerned and the officers have got a job to do," he said. "This allegation of being over-zealous comes up all the time but I don't believe there is anything untoward and I think the officers are protecting the public." Mr Pegg said other councils, such as Liverpool and Chester, were far more "ruthless" in their inspections. The report concludes: "Derby is no more prescriptive or zealous than our benchmarking partners and in some cases is significantly less so." It will be considered at tonight's taxi licensing committee meeting, which will follow the 6pm general licensing committee meeting at Saxon House. Mr Khan said he expected several drivers to be there to express their concerns. source: http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Taxi- ... story.html |
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| Author: | grandad [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
At our last middle of the night test, one of my cars was taken of the road because the police officer said that one of the brake callipers was siezed. I asked how he could tell just by looking. There was another officer in the car who told him that the brakes were working but the first one would have none of it. I took the car for an mot as required without doing anything to it and it passed. Go figure! |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
grandad wrote: I took the car for an mot as required without doing anything to it and it passed. Go figure! Did you make a formal complaint?
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| Author: | grandad [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
Sussex wrote: grandad wrote: I took the car for an mot as required without doing anything to it and it passed. Go figure! Did you make a formal complaint? Yes, and after a thourough investigation the council decided that no action was to be taken. Here is the actual email. I have investigated your complaint and I have received a formal written statement from PC Wilson, the Police Officer who carried out the inspection on your vehicle. He firmly states that he was not in anyway influenced by Mr XXXXXXX in his decision to prohibit your vehicle, XXXXXXX, for the defects that he discovered with the rear brakes of the vehicle. He advises that for the defects that were discovered with your vehicle, the guidance that is provided within the manual that is provided to the Police Officers in respect of any defects found with a vehicle is an Immediate Prohibition Notice. I appreciate that the MOT inspector that you discussed this matter with may have a differing opinion to that of the Police Officer, but from the information that I have received, I am of the opinion that the Police followed their protocol in respect of the inspection and the defects that were discovered and that the Police were not swayed by any comment made about the braking system of the vehicle. Accordingly, I do not intend on taking this matter any further. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
Theres no difference of opinion or room for negotiation needed on a brake testing roller.... Quote: I appreciate that the MOT inspector that you discussed this matter with may have a differing opinion to that of the Police Officer, but from the information that I have received, I am of the opinion that the Police followed their protocol in respect of the inspection and the defects that were discovered and that the Police were not swayed by any comment made about the braking system of the vehicle.
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| Author: | grandad [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
wannabeeahack wrote: Theres no difference of opinion or room for negotiation needed on a brake testing roller.... Quote: I appreciate that the MOT inspector that you discussed this matter with may have a differing opinion to that of the Police Officer, but from the information that I have received, I am of the opinion that the Police followed their protocol in respect of the inspection and the defects that were discovered and that the Police were not swayed by any comment made about the braking system of the vehicle. The police were not authorised to use the brake testing equipment on the night. Simply jacking up the said wheel and trying to turn it whilst the brake was being applied would have been enough. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
grandad wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: Theres no difference of opinion or room for negotiation needed on a brake testing roller.... Quote: I appreciate that the MOT inspector that you discussed this matter with may have a differing opinion to that of the Police Officer, but from the information that I have received, I am of the opinion that the Police followed their protocol in respect of the inspection and the defects that were discovered and that the Police were not swayed by any comment made about the braking system of the vehicle. The police were not authorised to use the brake testing equipment on the night. Simply jacking up the said wheel and trying to turn it whilst the brake was being applied would have been enough. if a caliper is seized ON youd know about it by the smell of burning |
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| Author: | grandad [ Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
wannabeeahack wrote: if a caliper is seized ON youd know about it by the smell of burning The copper said it was siezed in the off position because there was a bit of rust on the disc. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
perhaps if this motley crew joined a national body - instead of making enquiries everytime their in the sh*t, something might happen 
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
grandad wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: if a caliper is seized ON youd know about it by the smell of burning The copper said it was siezed in the off position because there was a bit of rust on the disc. id have driven it forward and yanked the brake on, he coulda measured both rear skid marks.... |
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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
wannabeeahack wrote: grandad wrote: wannabeeahack wrote: if a caliper is seized ON youd know about it by the smell of burning The copper said it was siezed in the off position because there was a bit of rust on the disc. id have driven it forward and yanked the brake on, he coulda measured both rear skid marks.... You wouldn't have had that option. We were not driving the cars whilst they were being inspected. In fact we could not even see what they were failing vehicles for. We just got given the paperwork after the inspection. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:49 am ] |
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Make an official complaint to the police. |
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| Author: | Tico [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:17 pm ] |
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I am mechanic and rust on brake disc can form in minutes after washing rust on surface unles think and age is not means that brake not work. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
gusmac wrote: Make an official complaint to the police. It would be a bit late now, the inspections were months ago. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi drivers angry as council rejects inspection complai |
Rust on discs? on the braking surface or the outer lip? |
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