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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:53 am 
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Before our meeting, I thought he was. But what I met was worse even than that.

Inspector Frank Smith is a thinking feeling man. I have no doubt his family life is surrounded by those who love him. Beneath his veneer, I couldn't help feeling he was a nice guy. But he is also demented.

Because Frank Smith is a cop. And with the meticulous approach he adopted regarding my matter, he is a precise man, well schooled in the Tulliallan philosophy, a man who has dedicated himself to his job, and who can't get to grips with his situation ... managing a taxi MOT station.

So, Inspector Smith's salvation is in adhering to process, to show his superiors that he operates on a professional level with the procedures they require him to follow, all in the hope that by doing so he will win his release from his penury.

Therefore, when an investigation happens along ... any investigation ... Inspector Smith will seize on it as another example of how efficient he is and how deserving he is of returning to mainstream policing, which he sees as the real platform for his policing skills.

And I don't doubt it. Because in Frank Smith, I saw a real cop. And one who could offer more.

From my perspective Frank Smith is the unacceptable face of policing. The problem for me isn't that he is a good cop. Rather he epitomises everything in a cop I despise. Because he doesn't even ask the question. He can't even see what the question is. Because for him, it's all about procedure, and delivering that procedure, whether the procedure is fair or not, or conforms to basic and fundamental rights or not.

Inured in process, Frank Smith doesn't even see the problem.

But, it's not really his fault, is it? Because he's not asked to consider it. That's not his job.

I had an incident with two scumbag black customers ... now please be mature and realise that I am not saying all blacks are scumbags ... just these two scrotes. When the police responded they were tripping over themselves to ensure their rights were not infringed and they in turn would not be liable to accusation.

Yet, Inspector Smith, of the same police force, did nothing to ensure I had any rights in the matter. He was not interested. Neither he, nor his superiors, could see any of the concerns I was raising. But there again, I'm not black. Except I am a niggr. I am a white cab niggr, subjected to similar discrimination, but without any rights in 21st century Scotland.

I feel for Inspector Smith. He's not programmed to ask questions. He's just programmed. And in this, I realise that it's not personal with him.

A police Inspector should NOT be involved in civil complaints. A police inspector should not be managing a taxi MOT station. A police inspector SHOULD be operating as a key resource in the fight against real crime. And as a taxpayer, I believe that's precisely where Frank Smith should be employed.

Terry Higgins is now on board. And while I have reservations about him because he's an ex cop, and is clearly cursed with ex-cop thinking, at least he is empowered to act in a civil context.

Isn't it long overdue to allow Frank Smith to be a real policeman again and let Higgins deal with complaints about cabbies?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:09 am 
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You must enjoy looking over your shoulder.

In days gone by, when someone pushed their luck, they'd have raided their house and found lots of drugs, stolen property or paedo pictures that they brought in with them. :shock:

Fortunately, such corrupt practices are a thing of the past.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:16 am 
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I'm still amazed you lot have the police to enforce your taxi rules and regulations.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:05 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
You must enjoy looking over your shoulder.

In days gone by, when someone pushed their luck, they'd have raided their house and found lots of drugs, stolen property or paedo pictures that they brought in with them. :shock:

Fortunately, such corrupt practices are a thing of the past.


It's because I don't have any of the tripe you've stated that I can make the arguments. You obviously don't have any faith in our police. And by saying what you did, not only do you bring our police into disrepute, you seem to be inviting them to do it.

I haven't said the police are corrupt, and if I have said anything of that nature in the past I'm not saying it here and now and would retract it, just that they operate processes which were established in a different time, and they haven't moved with the times to take account of law which affords people rights. Presumably because until now no one has challenged them.

But what really concerns me is that I have to share the trade with complete brown-nose tumshies like you who are so servile you make me sick.

And that's the reason why I fear Scotland becoming independent at your behest. Because you would make Scotland in your own image, a place to live in fear of authorities who can't see what they do is wrong, and perpetrate injustice through their processes, and all actively supported by sheeple like you, Gusmac.

As a Scot, and as defined by any our of our great men and women down through the ages, you seem to me an utter disgrace.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:19 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
I'm still amazed you lot have the police to enforce your taxi rules and regulations.

:?


What you're highlighting Sussex is the fact that everything about the way we operate licensing is Scotland is still in the dark ages with Councils holding kangaroo courts in secret and councillors happily dish out draconian punishments, even taking people's livelihoods away from them for minor misdemeanours while knowing full well they will never be held to account disgraceful conduct, because no records are published.

This is Stasi Scotland, Sussex.

And we've got tumshies fighting for independence to protect such dark age laws and privilege.

It beggars belief.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:19 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
gusmac wrote:
You must enjoy looking over your shoulder.

In days gone by, when someone pushed their luck, they'd have raided their house and found lots of drugs, stolen property or paedo pictures that they brought in with them. :shock:

Fortunately, such corrupt practices are a thing of the past.


It's because I don't have any of the tripe you've stated that I can make the arguments. You obviously don't have any faith in our police. And by saying what you did, not only do you bring our police into disrepute, you seem to be inviting them to do it.

I haven't said the police are corrupt, and if I have said anything of that nature in the past I'm not saying it here and now and would retract it, just that they operate processes which were established in a different time, and they haven't moved with the times to take account of law which affords people rights. Presumably because until now no one has challenged them.

But what really concerns me is that I have to share the trade with complete brown-nose tumshies like you who are so servile you make me sick.

And that's the reason why I fear Scotland becoming independent at your behest. Because you would make Scotland in your own image, a place to live in fear of authorities who can't see what they do is wrong, and perpetrate injustice through their processes, and all actively supported by sheeple like you, Gusmac.

As a Scot, and as defined by any our of our great men and women down through the ages, you seem to me an utter disgrace.


Well I can't say I'm surprised by your reaction - or should I say overreaction.
Last night you post a long winded speil about your taxi inspector and ask everyone if he's a tw4t.
I point out what would have happened years ago to anyone with the brass balls to do such a thing.
Like the true keyboard warrior that you are, you got up at lunchtime and bricked yourself. You then edited the title of the thread and the text of your post.

I have lots of faith in our police, hence why I highlighted how much things have changed over the years.
You clearly have not, otherwise you would not have read my post in the manner you did and then toned down what you originally said.
If anyone is a disgrace Jasbar, it is you.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:23 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
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I'm still amazed you lot have the police to enforce your taxi rules and regulations.

:?


What you're highlighting Sussex is the fact that everything about the way we operate licensing is Scotland is still in the dark ages with Councils holding kangaroo courts in secret and councillors happily dish out draconian punishments, even taking people's livelihoods away from them for minor misdemeanours while knowing full well they will never be held to account disgraceful conduct, because no records are published.

This is Stasi Scotland, Sussex.

And we've got tumshies fighting for independence to protect such dark age laws and privilege.

It beggars belief.

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What a load of bull. All you say has happened under the union Jasbar.
Such behavior is not confined to Scotland either, if you bothered to read some of the other threads on here.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:16 am 
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I was at the meeting, and I can assure you Gusmac, those conducting the “interview” don’t even see the problem.

When someone makes a complaint, you should receive the complaint in writing. And before being asked to appear at interview and speaking to the allegation. You should also be informed you have the right to be accompanied by a legal representative to speak on your behalf or someone to act as a witness to proceedings
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If it’s a civil complaint, you should not be interviewed by a Police Inspector acting in a civilian capacity no matter what the complaint is.

You should also be informed how they are to determine there is a case to be answered i.e. by what might be admitted during the interview, or proven by any other means and before being told you have a right of silence.

Upon speaking to the complaint it should be explained that any information gathered may be held on file and used against you at a later date.

And all before appearing up at Cooncil HQ and facing the Kangaroo court on whether or not you are a fit and proper person to hold a license, which is of course, another story.

Now can anyone explain how the above protects your right to a fair hearing? :-|


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:04 am 
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I was at the meeting, and I can assure you Gusmac, those conducting the “interview” don’t even see the problem.

When someone makes a complaint, you should receive the complaint in writing. And before being asked to appear at interview and speaking to the allegation. You should also be informed you have the right to be accompanied by a legal representative to speak on your behalf or someone to act as a witness to proceedings
.
If it’s a civil complaint, you should not be interviewed by a Police Inspector acting in a civilian capacity no matter what the complaint is.

You should also be informed how they are to determine there is a case to be answered i.e. by what might be admitted during the interview, or proven by any other means and before being told you have a right of silence.

Upon speaking to the complaint it should be explained that any information gathered may be held on file and used against you at a later date.

And all before appearing up at Cooncil HQ and facing the Kangaroo court on whether or not you are a fit and proper person to hold a license, which is of course, another story.

Now can anyone explain how the above protects your right to a fair hearing? :-|


I don't dispute any of this, Skull.
In fact if you check back, you will see that I advised Jasbar to take a witness with him.
I think we are all aware of how we can be screwed over by the system, and that's not something I'd wish on anyone, regardless of what I may think of them.
That said, Jasbar is no mug. He already knows his rights, even if they weren't explained to him. Not exactly a lamb to the slaughter, like the next one through the door.

He should also have been aware that starting a thread with this title may not have been the smartest move he could have made.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:57 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:
I was at the meeting, and I can assure you Gusmac, those conducting the “interview” don’t even see the problem.

When someone makes a complaint, you should receive the complaint in writing. And before being asked to appear at interview and speaking to the allegation. You should also be informed you have the right to be accompanied by a legal representative to speak on your behalf or someone to act as a witness to proceedings
.
If it’s a civil complaint, you should not be interviewed by a Police Inspector acting in a civilian capacity no matter what the complaint is.

You should also be informed how they are to determine there is a case to be answered i.e. by what might be admitted during the interview, or proven by any other means and before being told you have a right of silence.

Upon speaking to the complaint it should be explained that any information gathered may be held on file and used against you at a later date.

And all before appearing up at Cooncil HQ and facing the Kangaroo court on whether or not you are a fit and proper person to hold a license, which is of course, another story.

Now can anyone explain how the above protects your right to a fair hearing? :-|


I don't dispute any of this, Skull.
In fact if you check back, you will see that I advised Jasbar to take a witness with him.
I think we are all aware of how we can be screwed over by the system, and that's not something I'd wish on anyone, regardless of what I may think of them.
That said, Jasbar is no mug. He already knows his rights, even if they weren't explained to him. Not exactly a lamb to the slaughter, like the next one through the door.

He should also have been aware that starting a thread with this title may not have been the smartest move he could have made.


Ah but the problem is, if you don't raise the issue, then no one sits up and takes notice.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:28 am 
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Skull wrote:

Ah but the problem is, if you don't raise the issue, then no one sits up and takes notice.


Granted, but was that the best way to raise it?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:15 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:

Ah but the problem is, if you don't raise the issue, then no one sits up and takes notice.


Granted, but was that the best way to raise it?


I think it's the best way to get the argument noticed. They do monitor this site after all.

A man is seeking to join Lothian & Borders Police force.

The Sergeant doing the interview says:
"Your qualifications all look good, but there is an attitude suitability test that you must take, before you can be accepted."
Then, sliding a pistol and a box of ammo across the desk, he says: "Take this pistol and go out and shoot six illegal immigrants, six drug dealers, six Muslim extremists, and a rabbit"
The man being interviewed asks, "Why the rabbit?"
"Great attitude," says the Sergeant. "When can you start?"

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:28 am 
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gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:

Ah but the problem is, if you don't raise the issue, then no one sits up and takes notice.


Granted, but was that the best way to raise it?


And meanwhile the next guy through the door gets stiffed.

I know that the decision on what to do here was taken before I went into the room. I made formal complaint I wouldn't get a fair hearing BEFORE the meeting. Smith did everything he possibly could to prove that I could - this time.

And the reason is because it was a minor matter. Not the best to take to the kangaroo court for the fascist councillors to deal with. But they know there will be another time.

And so do I.

But they've opened the door. At least to this part of the process. And I will pursue it through their process. Let's just see how fair and just it really is.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:03 am 
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Jasbar wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:

Ah but the problem is, if you don't raise the issue, then no one sits up and takes notice.


Granted, but was that the best way to raise it?


And meanwhile the next guy through the door gets stiffed.

I know that the decision on what to do here was taken before I went into the room. I made formal complaint I wouldn't get a fair hearing BEFORE the meeting. Smith did everything he possibly could to prove that I could - this time.

And the reason is because it was a minor matter. Not the best to take to the kangaroo court for the fascist councillors to deal with. But they know there will be another time.

And so do I.

But they've opened the door. At least to this part of the process. And I will pursue it through their process. Let's just see how fair and just it really is.


Fair and just is a scary thought. I know that's what I want to believe but is that really the question? :-|


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:56 am 
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Jasbar wrote:
Let's just see how fair and just it really is.


You do realise that you could end up royally shafted, just to prove what most of us already know?

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