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Author:  captain cab [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall prom
Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall prom night stop

A limousine operator has had her licence revoked after inspectors pulled over a vehicle taking pupils to their prom night in Walsall and found it was operating illegally.

Sarah Farrell has been disqualified from holding or obtaining a licence to carry passengers for 12 months by the West Midlands Traffic Commissioner Nick Jones who found she had been “reckless” in failing to check the legal status of her stretch Dodge limousine which was stopped in an inspection exercise by the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency.

It had been carrying five passengers from Wednesbury to their school prom at Banks’s Stadium on June 29 last year.

It was found that Ms Farrell did not have the proper paperwork and the limo was kitted out with a large number of seats even though her licence only allowed her to carry eight passengers or less.

Mr Jones said: “Legitimate limousine operators suffer from those that flout the law and thereby gain commercial advantage.

“Sarah Farrell has obtained commercial advantage in breaching the clear rules which were spelt out to her in unequivocal terms in November 2011.”

He said it had been a “flagrant breach of basic legal requirements”.

He added: “I take into account the fact that she is not a large-scale commercial enterprise, instead she is a naive foolish individual who ought to have applied instead for a private hire licence from a local authority.

“In looking for positives I accept that this operator is not in the category of large scale, sophisticated illegal operation that tarnishes the reputation of the limousine industry, this allows me to keep any disqualification relatively short.”

Her licence will be revoked from Thursday and she will also be disqualified from applying for or holding an operator’s licence in any traffic area for a period of 12 months.

source: http://www.expressandstar.com/
Author:  grandad [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
captain cab wrote:
she is a naive foolish individual who ought to have applied instead for a private hire licence from a local authority.


She is not likeley to get any joy from her LA now either. Anyone want to buy a limo?
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
was she on a PH ops licence? or a traffic/VOSA O licence?
Author:  grandad [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
wannabeeahack wrote:
was she on a PH ops licence? or a traffic/VOSA O licence?

That is the bit that is unclear. I think what is being said is that the vehicle had more than 8 passenger seats but she only had a driving license for up to 8 passengers ie not a PCV license. I don't think she had any kind of operators license at all. But I could be wrong.
Author:  no tips [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
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A limousine operator has had her licence revoked after inspectors pulled over



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Her licence will be revoked from Thursday and she will also be disqualified from applying for or holding an operator’s licence in any traffic area for a period of 12 months.



Seems she had a O license but wont have it after thursday.. =D> #-o
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
captain cab wrote:
“Sarah Farrell has obtained commercial advantage in breaching the clear rules which were spelt out to her in unequivocal terms in November 2011.”

But she didn't expect to be caught guv. :-$
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
was she on a PH ops licence? or a traffic/VOSA O licence?

That is the bit that is unclear. I think what is being said is that the vehicle had more than 8 passenger seats but she only had a driving license for up to 8 passengers ie not a PCV license. I don't think she had any kind of operators license at all. But I could be wrong.

My reading of it is she had a restricted PSV license and was told exactly what she could and couldn't do on that license.

But she knew best. At least for a while. :D
Author:  grandad [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
no tips wrote:
Quote:
A limousine operator has had her licence revoked after inspectors pulled over



Quote:
Her licence will be revoked from Thursday and she will also be disqualified from applying for or holding an operator’s licence in any traffic area for a period of 12 months.



Seems she had a O license but wont have it after thursday.. =D> #-o

It also states that her license only allowed her to carry 8 passengers or less. What vosa operating license would that be?
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
grandad wrote:
It also states that her license only allowed her to carry 8 passengers or less. What vosa operating license would that be?

A restricted PSV can be any car under 9 seats, but if she has more than 8 seats doesn't she need a different test certificate?
Author:  grandad [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
It also states that her license only allowed her to carry 8 passengers or less. What vosa operating license would that be?

A restricted PSV can be any car under 9 seats, but if she has more than 8 seats doesn't she need a different test certificate?

A restricted PCV license is for up to 2 vehicles with 9-16 seats. Some operators have succesfully been granted a restricted PCV license for limousines with 8 or less seats but I thought that they had to have the vehicles inspected by VOSA first. If this is the case and she decided to use a different vehicle.......well she is a right plonker.
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
grandad wrote:
A restricted PCV license is for up to 2 vehicles with 9-16 seats. Some operators have succesfully been granted a restricted PCV license for limousines with 8 or less seats but I thought that they had to have the vehicles inspected by VOSA first. If this is the case and she decided to use a different vehicle.......well she is a right plonker.

Thank the Lord for Mr google.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/P ... 0Guide.pdf
Author:  grandad [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
A restricted PCV license is for up to 2 vehicles with 9-16 seats. Some operators have succesfully been granted a restricted PCV license for limousines with 8 or less seats but I thought that they had to have the vehicles inspected by VOSA first. If this is the case and she decided to use a different vehicle.......well she is a right plonker.

Thank the Lord for Mr google.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/P ... 0Guide.pdf

The advice given by VOSA now is that vehicles with 8 passenger seats or less should be licensed by your council. They will not routinely license vehicles with 8 or less passenger seats. Read annex 2 to see how difficult it is to use a vehicle with 8 or less passenger seats.
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
grandad wrote:
The advice given by VOSA now is that vehicles with 8 passenger seats or less should be licensed by your council. They will not routinely license vehicles with 8 or less passenger seats. Read annex 2 to see how difficult it is to use a vehicle with 8 or less passenger seats.

I'm pleased that VOSA are doing what they told me they would at the PH Show a couple of years ago, but the law is still the law, and the definition of a PSV isn't that much different to that of a PH i.e. something with seats and a motor.

I'm not as much up on this as I was during my Tuk Tuk mission, but I know it's still the same law.

However our good friends the Law Commission have suggested everything under 9 seats be a taxi or a PH.
Author:  rayggb [ Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
There are still cars going round on an o plate.There is a guy in sheffield still calling his company a coach company and yet he has no coaches,he has 2,3,4 cars advertising for airport work.I don't get it!.
Author:  grandad [ Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Limousine operator has licence revoked after Walsall pro
rayggb wrote:
There are still cars going round on an o plate.There is a guy in sheffield still calling his company a coach company and yet he has no coaches,he has 2,3,4 cars advertising for airport work.I don't get it!.

Why don't you get it? It is very simple. VOSA have very limited resourses. They tend to target certain vehicles. The chap doing airport runs that have not been advertised correctly ie to the public at seperate fares, is very low on their priorities. Unless they receive a few complaints about individuals, they wont be doing anything. They may eventually target an airport and then something may be done about it but I would guess that there are still many more people doing airport runs without any form of licencing at all.
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