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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:35 am 
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Lancashire teen’s discrimination battle



A disabled teen has hit out at taxi drivers he claims persistently ignore him because he uses a wheelchair.

Jack Milner, 19, from Longton, near Preston, was born with muscle-wasting condition Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy, which has robbed him of his mobility.
He said that on nights out in Preston city centre, he often has to wait hours for a taxi to pick him up, despite all black cabs having ramps and wheelchair straps.

The discrimination has been labelled a “hate crime” by town centre councillor Michael Lavalette, who has called for the immediate banning of drivers found flouting the law.

Jack, who usually manages to get a lift into town, said: “Every time I go out getting back is a struggle.

“The other night I was with a friend waiting at the taxi rank outside Lava Ignite in Church Street, and four taxis drove past me, saying they didn’t have any ramps, before I got one to stop.

“I find it very frustrating when I see the drivers signalling ‘no light’, and then other people get in.”

When Jack and his group do manage to get a taxi, drivers don’t always strap the wheelchair in, leaving Jack’s friends having to hold it in place.

Jack said: “On one occasion the taxi went too fast round a corner, my chair slid, and I smacked my head on the window.

“Other times my friends have had to get on their knees on the cab floor to try to keep the chair in position.”

Jack said he has also been refused a taxi outside Preston railway station and had to call his dad John for a lift at 3am.

John said: “When Jack told me that he’d been waiting over an hour to get a taxi, I decided that I wasn’t going to have it. People need to know what’s going on.

“It’s not just Jack that’s affected, it’s his mates too, and I think that cabbies saying they haven’t got a ramp is a weak excuse not to get out of the cab.”

A spokesman for Preston-based Disability Equality North West said he had heard similar complaints before.

He said: “This is something that our advisers do hear about in Preston, and we write letters to the authorities, calling for action.”

All 187 black cabs in Preston have ramps as well as straps and are wheelchair accessible.

Preston council operates a penalty points scheme for refusing disabled passengers, with any proven offence carrying a 10-point penalty.

Any driver accumulating 20 points in a rolling 12-month period is required to attend a hearing, and could have their licence suspended.

Mr Milner added: “When I spoke to an enforcement officer at the council who said that it was up to Jack, as the victim of discrimination, to provide the evidence that the taxi drivers are not doing their job.

“This puts him in a confrontational situation, a place where he doesn’t want to be.

“I would have expected the council to have at least said they would remind all of their drivers of their obligations to take the next passenger regardless of disability.”

A spokesman for Preston Council said: “Passengers should not be turned away from a black cab in the city because of a disability as all the vehicles are equipped to accommodate wheelchairs.

“Any driver found to be discriminating passengers in this way will be disciplined accordingly.”

Charles Oakes chairman of the Bolton, Bury, Burnley, Preston Hackney Association, said the responsibility of taxi drivers was “not cut and dried”.

He said: “Drivers know the conditions of licensing and they know how the Disability Discrimination Act works as well.

“There are a few situations where I would think it was right for a driver to refuse to pick up a disabled passenger but this must not be abused.

“Drivers need to make a judgement call if they are responsible for loading and unloading, and if they think they can’t do it safely, then I believe that health and safety rules over-ride everything else.”

He added: “I’ve done it in the past when there was a disabled man of about 20 stone. I thought no way am I pushing him up a ramp, for my own safety, and for his.

“It’s not clear-cut on insurance either – where does our responsibility start and finish?

“We’ve had claims against drivers in the past for damaging electric wheelchairs.

“There are a lot of considerations on this subject and drivers must apply them sensibly.

“It must also be remembered that there’s not one Hackney carriage that fits all – there’s all different types of chairs now.”

Coun Lavalette, said: “It’s outrageous to hear this is going on and I would like to see any driver doing this banned immediately.

“We should strive to help disabled people lead the life that they want to.

“This fits in with the national trend of hate crimes increasing.

“Although it’s not a physical attack, it’s humiliating and it counts as a hate crime.”

source: http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/lancash ... -1-5688230

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:50 am 
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Three problems I see there:

The wheelchair user only seems to use a cab to get home. Maybe if he used one to go out as well, he'd build some sort of rapport with a regular driver. I have this a lot with potential customers, they want us to take them home at silly o'clock but not to go out.

Wheelchairs are all different sizes, I've commented on this elsewhere on a thread about wheelchair accessible buses. Ne welectric wheelchairs can just be too big to fit the existing infrastructure.

The driver MUST have working ramps and straps in a WAV. The driver's insurance for the vehicle and public liabilty should cover any damage to anyone including the driver, but personally I wouldn't attempt to push a very heavy passenger up a ramp for fear of my own safety. Risk assessment!


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:56 am 
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Preston council operates a penalty points scheme for refusing disabled passengers, with any proven offence carrying a 10-point penalty.

Any driver accumulating 20 points in a rolling 12-month period is required to attend a hearing, and could have their licence suspended.


10 penalty points for law breaking?

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:59 am 
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All 187 black cabs in Preston have ramps as well as straps

I bet they don't.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:00 am 
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captain cab wrote:
“The other night I was with a friend waiting at the taxi rank outside Lava Ignite in Church Street, and four taxis drove past me, saying they didn’t have any ramps, before I got one to stop.

“I find it very frustrating when I see the drivers signalling ‘no light’, and then other people get in.”

Then video it on your mobile.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:56 am 
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Why does he not just phone for a cab, :idea:


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:09 am 
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i hate this it obvious they ignore him because it take time to get ramp out total unsuitable drivers imo


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Ok Sherlocks...

whats gonna happen in a busy street at silly o'clock (say 2am) when a WAV stops and starts pulling ramps out?...

the car will be full before you can say "im booked"

it doesnt LOOK a big wheelchair though

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Jack said he has also been refused a taxi outside Preston railway station and had to call his dad John for a lift at 3am.


so dad has a WAV?....on Motability?

the lad needs to take more responsibility for his own actions, pre-book cabs, state he needs a WAV, travel both ways with the same firm - if he wants a service

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wannabeeahack wrote:
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Jack said he has also been refused a taxi outside Preston railway station and had to call his dad John for a lift at 3am.


so dad has a WAV?....on Motability?

the lad needs to take more responsibility for his own actions, pre-book cabs, state he needs a WAV, travel both ways with the same firm - if he wants a service
I disagree. The whole purpose of having wheelchair accessible vehicles is so that people in wheelchairs have access to them. You shouldn't have to book both ways or pre-book when he should be able to flag. It is lazy drivers.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:20 pm 
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Must be busy in preston when you can turn work away,it takes less than 5 mins to load a wheelchair. But i got to be honest some wheelchairs that have a electric battery low down on the chair are a fecker on ramps,especially if its the two ramp kind of vehicle


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wannabeeahack wrote:
Ok Sherlocks...

whats gonna happen in a busy street at silly o'clock (say 2am) when a WAV stops and starts pulling ramps out?...

the car will be full before you can say "im booked"

I'm not so sure about that.

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Sussex wrote:
I'm not so sure about that.


Wouldn't happen here either :roll:

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Theres not too many wheelchair jobs about late at night usually,but very rarely would i refuse one.Especially late at night when the other choice is five or six [edited by admin] ed up kids with bottles in hand


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Sussex wrote:
captain cab wrote:
All 187 black cabs in Preston have ramps as well as straps

I bet they don't.



According to our council 7 vehicles in our district are capable of carrying wheelchairs but as far as I know I am the only one the trouble is all they have to do is tick a box there is no check or test of actual capability perhaps this is something that should be added to Hackney tests

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