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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:39 pm 
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Minicab driver fined for not properly securing disabled passenger


Shaukat Ali (45), of Harris Street, Peterborough, appeared at Peterborough Magistrates’ Court yesterday (Wednesday, June 12) accused of failing to take the necessary steps to ensure a passenger is carried in safety and reasonable comfort, an offence under the 2010 Equality Act.

He denied the offence.

The court heard from two support workers representing the disabled passenger about the incident on September 26, 2012.

The support workers were accompanying the passenger and two others on a journey to the PHAB Club (Physically Handicapped and Able Bodied Club) in Bretton.

On booking the private hire vehicle, Ali arrived in a specialist vehicle fitted with a tail lift as requested by the passenger.

Prior to undertaking the journey, both carers saw Ali had not restrained the passenger’s wheelchair.

Both stated that when challenged, Ali said he did not need to secure the wheelchair, as it was an electric one.

In order for a wheel chair dependant passenger to be transported safely, the wheelchair should be restrained and the passenger wear an additional seat belt.

The carers refused to allow the journey to be undertaken until Ali fitted the belts.

During the journey one of the carers noticed Ali had only restrained the chair and not the passenger.

On highlighting the safety issue, she stated Ali ignored her and continued driving.

As the vehicle negotiated a roundabout, the passenger’s wheelchair began to move, forcing the support worker to remove her own seat belt and attempt to restrain the chair.

She informed Ali of the potentially dangerous issue and alleged she was ignored.

On reaching the destination, she stated that Ali then manhandled the wheelchair causing noticeable distress to the passenger, who had to be assisted with calming techniques, before she could leave the vehicle.

While giving evidence, Ali alleged that the support workers were lying and had conspired against him because he had been rude to them during the journey.

He alleged one of the carers had undone the wheelchair restraints herself.

Ali was found guilty of the offence, fined £250 and ordered to pay £400 in costs and a £15 victim surcharge.

A decision is to be made concerning Ali’s private hire badge.

Adrian Day, licensing manager for Peterborough City Council, said: “This case should serve as a warning to taxi and private hire drivers in Peterborough that they must respect the needs of every member of our community.

“The Equality Act is there to ensure that every single person is entitled to the same standard of service and, in this case, regardless of their personal circumstances.

“This decision sends a strong message that the city council takes complaints made against the trade seriously and will investigate every incident reported to us - taking action where it is found that a driver or company isn’t providing the service that is legally required.

“The council requires taxi and private hire drivers to maintain exemplary standards and it is essential that the public has confidence in the quality of service provided. We have a responsibility to ensure that public expectations are fulfilled.”

source: http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news ... -1-5187900

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:33 pm 
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Same name as one of my drivers :shock: :shock: :shock: except he doesn't drive a wav I wonder if it is a cousin of his :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:43 pm 
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They only noticed the punter wasn't strapped in during the journey. :---) :---) :---) :---) :---)

They shouldn't have let the vehicle go an inch unless they were certain everything was ok.

But hey, at the end of the day there is always the mug driver that can carry the can. :sad:

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They only noticed the punter wasn't strapped in during the journey. :---) :---) :---) :---) :---)

They shouldn't have let the vehicle go an inch unless they were certain everything was ok.

But hey, at the end of the day there is always the mug driver that can carry the can. :sad:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:02 am 
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Heres a song for the poor Unrestrained Wheelcharge user:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_H-LY4Jb2M


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:56 am 
Sorry, my sympathies with the driver...I can just imagine some of these "care" workers trying to stitch anyone up that does not bow to their self appointed importance! And yes I agree!!! it was they the carers who should have been before the beak; for allowing the journey if not all was correct!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:17 am 
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Sussex wrote:
They only noticed the punter wasn't strapped in during the journey. :---) :---) :---) :---) :---)

They shouldn't have let the vehicle go an inch unless they were certain everything was ok.

But hey, at the end of the day there is always the mug driver that can carry the can. :sad:




Prior to undertaking the journey, both carers saw Ali had not restrained the passenger’s wheelchair.

Both stated that when challenged, Ali said he did not need to secure the wheelchair, as it was an electric one.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:58 am 
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A few weeks ago a driver here took a job with an electric wheelchair. I have told him on occasion that he needs to strap wheelchairs in but he never does, he also lets mums put their buggies in with the child still in the buggy unrestrained. Anyway the wheelchair user drive the wheelchair up the ramps and into the car. She was now sideways on. The driver put the ramps away and took her to the destination that was less than a mile away. He undid the door and was just about to fit the ramp when the passenger reversed out of the door and landed on top of him. He mentioned this to another driver who advised him to make a claim against the wheelchair user. I suggested that as he didn't secure the passenger in the vehicle and carried them in an unsafe manner that he keeps his mouth shut and hopes that the passenger does not report him.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:26 am 
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A few weeks ago a driver here took a job with an electric wheelchair. I have told him on occasion that he needs to strap wheelchairs in but he never does, he also lets mums put their buggies in with the child still in the buggy unrestrained. Anyway the wheelchair user drive the wheelchair up the ramps and into the car. She was now sideways on. The driver put the ramps away and took her to the destination that was less than a mile away. He undid the door and was just about to fit the ramp when the passenger reversed out of the door and landed on top of him. He mentioned this to another driver who advised him to make a claim against the wheelchair user. I suggested that as he didn't secure the passenger in the vehicle and carried them in an unsafe manner that he keeps his mouth shut and hopes that the passenger does not report him.


Very grey area electric wheelchair/ Scooter's some you can lash down in the correct manner in the right position
Some will only load side ways with no lashing point's on the scooter do you refuse to take the Scooter ???


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:11 pm 
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Blackcab Bob wrote:
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A few weeks ago a driver here took a job with an electric wheelchair. I have told him on occasion that he needs to strap wheelchairs in but he never does, he also lets mums put their buggies in with the child still in the buggy unrestrained. Anyway the wheelchair user drive the wheelchair up the ramps and into the car. She was now sideways on. The driver put the ramps away and took her to the destination that was less than a mile away. He undid the door and was just about to fit the ramp when the passenger reversed out of the door and landed on top of him. He mentioned this to another driver who advised him to make a claim against the wheelchair user. I suggested that as he didn't secure the passenger in the vehicle and carried them in an unsafe manner that he keeps his mouth shut and hopes that the passenger does not report him.


Very grey area electric wheelchair/ Scooter's some you can lash down in the correct manner in the right position
Some will only load side ways with no lashing point's on the scooter do you refuse to take the Scooter ???
If it cant be carried safely, refuse it. Also, the paseenger should not be driving up the ramp.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:32 pm 
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Blackcab Bob wrote:
grandad wrote:
A few weeks ago a driver here took a job with an electric wheelchair. I have told him on occasion that he needs to strap wheelchairs in but he never does, he also lets mums put their buggies in with the child still in the buggy unrestrained. Anyway the wheelchair user drive the wheelchair up the ramps and into the car. She was now sideways on. The driver put the ramps away and took her to the destination that was less than a mile away. He undid the door and was just about to fit the ramp when the passenger reversed out of the door and landed on top of him. He mentioned this to another driver who advised him to make a claim against the wheelchair user. I suggested that as he didn't secure the passenger in the vehicle and carried them in an unsafe manner that he keeps his mouth shut and hopes that the passenger does not report him.


Very grey area electric wheelchair/ Scooter's some you can lash down in the correct manner in the right position
Some will only load side ways with no lashing point's on the scooter do you refuse to take the Scooter ???

If it can't be carried in the correct manner then yes, you should always refuse to carry it. but in this particular case it was the drivers laziness that meant that the chair and passenger were carried incorrectly. The vehicle was an E7 with plenty of room to load it properly.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:20 am 
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If it cant be carried safely, refuse it. Also, the paseenger should not be driving up the ramp.


Why ? some passengers are perfectly capable of driving up the ramps and often it is easier than putting the chair in manual mode. Also not all electric wheelchairs can be strapped properly as there are not always suitable attaching points for the straps sometimes the only way is to get a couple of straps attached diagonally opposite also Grandad you are wrong to say that an E7 can take any chair believe me I have a long wheelbase VW and have come across chairs that won't fit in that !!!!! it is surprising just how much space some chairs take up especially with legs outstretched !!!! so I would think the E7 has limits as it is smaller inside than mine

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The issue arises all over the country, so is it a training issue which the councils need to address or is it a driver issue that drivers who drive wheel chair assailable vehicles should have mandatory training.

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If it cant be carried safely, refuse it. Also, the paseenger should not be driving up the ramp.


Why ? some passengers are perfectly capable of driving up the ranks and often it is easier than putting the chair in manual mode. Also not all electric wheelchairs can be strapped properly as there are not always suitable attaching points for the straps sometimes the only way is to get a couple of straps attached diagonally opposite also Grandad you are wrong to say that an E7 can take any chair believe me I have a long wheelbase VW and have come across chairs that won't fit in that !!!!! it is surprising just how much space some chairs take up especially with legs outstretched !!!! so I would think the E7 has limits as it is smaller inside than mine

I didn't say that the E7 could take any chair. It could have taken this one correctly if the driver could have been bothered. He doesn't strap down any wheelchairs. He just pushes them in sideways and puts the brakes on. He is a liability.

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If it cant be carried safely, refuse it. Also, the passenger should not be driving up the ramp.



Why ? some passengers are perfectly capable of driving up the ranks and often it is easier than putting the chair in manual mode.


Because you are responsible if they mess it up. "it was easier" isn't much of a defence when you're in court. :shock:
Same goes if the chair can't be secured properly. It's your ass, not theirs.

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