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Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:28 pm ]
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Bradford Limousine Operator refused Licence by Traffic Commissioner

A limousine company with multiple convictions for illegally running vehicles in Leeds and Bradford made “huge profits” from its activities, according to a Traffic Commissioner following a recent hearing.

Oasis Limousines (Bradford) Ltd has failed in its bid to get an operator’s licence after appearing at a public inquiry in Leeds. The business was called before industry regulator Nick Jones after applying for permission to run in the North East region.

But during the hearing, Mr Jones said the company’s director, Saleem Nawaz, had no credibility and concluded the firm was “disreputable”.

The Traffic Commissioner apparently examined a number of convictions relating to the business operations of Mr Nawaz, including six offences of not holding an operator’s licence, three offences of having no insurance and two offences of fraudulent use of registration plates.

He also considered the impounding of a vehicle operated by Oasis Limousines Ltd on 22 January 2011. An examiner from the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA) found evidence the vehicle was carrying 12 passengers, who had paid for the journey. Vehicles carrying more than eight passengers require an operator’s licence.

The company applied for the return of the vehicle but during a public inquiry withdrew their application.

Other incidents involving Oasis Limousines were also considered during the hearing and Mr Jones concluded; “Saleem Nawaz was a serially and seriously non compliant operator, who saw court fines and the occasional loss of a vehicle through impounding as little more than a business expense, given that significant profits were being made from the illegal use of limousines.”

After concluding the company was disreputable and could not satisfy the mandatory requirement to be of good repute, he refused the application for an operator’s licence.
Author:  grandad [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:41 am ]
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This company were one of the most well known abusers of licensing when I was in the limo game.
The strange thing is that when they do decide to become legit, they are stopped from doing so. Do the powers that be think that by refusing them an operators license they will stop trading? Of course it won't, like it states in the report, fines and the loss of the odd vehicle are just another business expense. Mind you Oasis were not the biggest offenders by a long way.
Author:  roythebus [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:58 am ]
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grandad wrote:
This company were one of the most well known abusers of licensing when I was in the limo game.
The strange thing is that when they do decide to become legit, they are stopped from doing so. Do the powers that be think that by refusing them an operators license they will stop trading? Of course it won't, like it states in the report, fines and the loss of the odd vehicle are just another business expense. Mind you Oasis were not the biggest offenders by a long way.

Which makes me wonder, why not go legit from day 1?

If our friend continues operating, then I'm sure VOSA will continue their observations and eventually impound all his fleet.
Author:  no tips [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:29 am ]
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roythebus wrote:
grandad wrote:
This company were one of the most well known abusers of licensing when I was in the limo game.
The strange thing is that when they do decide to become legit, they are stopped from doing so. Do the powers that be think that by refusing them an operators license they will stop trading? Of course it won't, like it states in the report, fines and the loss of the odd vehicle are just another business expense. Mind you Oasis were not the biggest offenders by a long way.

Which makes me wonder, why not go legit from day 1?

If our friend continues operating, then I'm sure VOSA will continue their observations and eventually impound all his fleet.



As they have done with A1
The probereble reason they did not go legit from day one was back then none of the vehicles they were using would have been able to pass COIF rules & regs ,like all Limo opps with over 8 seat vehiles it has only been in the last couple of years these have been able to be COIF at great expence. But now it has been shown they are not above the law as they thought. :badgrin:
Author:  grandad [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:23 am ]
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no tips wrote:
roythebus wrote:
grandad wrote:
This company were one of the most well known abusers of licensing when I was in the limo game.
The strange thing is that when they do decide to become legit, they are stopped from doing so. Do the powers that be think that by refusing them an operators license they will stop trading? Of course it won't, like it states in the report, fines and the loss of the odd vehicle are just another business expense. Mind you Oasis were not the biggest offenders by a long way.

Which makes me wonder, why not go legit from day 1?

If our friend continues operating, then I'm sure VOSA will continue their observations and eventually impound all his fleet.



As they have done with A1
The probereble reason they did not go legit from day one was back then none of the vehicles they were using would have been able to pass COIF rules & regs ,like all Limo opps with over 8 seat vehiles it has only been in the last couple of years these have been able to be COIF at great expence. But now it has been shown they are not above the law as they thought. :badgrin:

I think you are correct.
Author:  roythebus [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:22 pm ]
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Yep, deffo! ISTR only the Ford and one other will pass the COIF with modifications, all other are illegal for hire and reward over 8 seats.
Author:  grandad [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:32 pm ]
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roythebus wrote:
Yep, deffo! ISTR only the Ford and one other will pass the COIF with modifications, all other are illegal for hire and reward over 8 seats.

I am not sure that you are fully correct with the range of vehicles that will pass the coif.
Author:  edders23 [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:02 pm ]
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the point is still surely that if it was not possible to become fully legit from day 1 then working with these companies to turn them around and get them fully legit is easier than playing cat and mouse with them or is that too simple
Author:  grandad [ Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:03 pm ]
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edders23 wrote:
the point is still surely that if it was not possible to become fully legit from day 1 then working with these companies to turn them around and get them fully legit is easier than playing cat and mouse with them or is that too simple

When it was not possible to COIF any of the big vehicles, operators were given a lot of leeway by the authorities, such as the self drive hire. Once the first Excursion had obtained the COIF it became a whole new ball game. Operators could no longer use the excuse that it wasn't possible to operate correctly. There were several meetings with VOSA and at the end of the day operators were given a clear date by which they had to have their vehicles modified and obtain their operators license. Those that complied were given the all clear whilst those that thought they would be clever dicks and just ignore the warnings are now paying the price. The deadline was at least 4 years ago.
Author:  Sussex [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:33 am ]
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grandad wrote:
The strange thing is that when they do decide to become legit, they are stopped from doing so. Do the powers that be think that by refusing them an operators license they will stop trading? Of course it won't, like it states in the report, fines and the loss of the odd vehicle are just another business expense. Mind you Oasis were not the biggest offenders by a long way.

They are being stopped from becoming legit because they are 100% crooks.

Do we license a rapist if he says he wont do it any more?

The TC has to judge an application on the evidence before him, not what might happen in the future.
Author:  grandad [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:33 am ]
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Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
The strange thing is that when they do decide to become legit, they are stopped from doing so. Do the powers that be think that by refusing them an operators license they will stop trading? Of course it won't, like it states in the report, fines and the loss of the odd vehicle are just another business expense. Mind you Oasis were not the biggest offenders by a long way.

They are being stopped from becoming legit because they are 100% crooks.

Do we license a rapist if he says he wont do it any more?

The TC has to judge an application on the evidence before him, not what might happen in the future.

I don't disagree with you, This particular company were being reported by operators at least 8 years ago, although they may have changed their name in that time but it was always Oasis. I remember that they once had one of their vehicles stopped twice in one day. Once in Derby and again in Kirkby in Ashfield.
Author:  roythebus [ Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:54 pm ]
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Maybe I am a bit out of date with the limos that can have a COIF.

The Traffic commissioner certainly CAN base his judgement on whether to issue an operators' licence on what may happen in the future as well as what happened in the past. See any edition of Notices and Proceedings to find out the reasons many licences are refused. Most who "say" they are going to operate stretch limos are given fairly onerous licence conditions such as keeping a record of all fares taken; no "novelty" vehicles to be operated (such as converted fire engines/tanks/ambulances etc...remembering the financial requirements of about £7,000 for the first licence and ISTR about £5500 for each other licence.

They will never issue an O licence to someone who has operated vehicles illegally as they are deemed to be "not fit to hold an O licence".
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:49 am ]
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can the boss man not simply "sell out" to, or buy, and existing O-licence holding company?
Author:  roythebus [ Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:47 pm ]
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Yes, anyone can buy a bus company providing it is a limited company. If the O licence is a sole trader or partnership, that licence cannot be sold or changed.

F-rinstance, if Mr Che de Deal (sole trader) with 3 O licences wanted to sell to Mr. RMA Cruik, he couldn't.
If Che de Deal Ltd with 3 O licences was for sale, then Mr. RMA Cruik could buy the company and its O licences.

BUT the Traffic Commissioner may well take an interest in the change of directors and call Mr.Cruik to a Public Inquiry and deem him unfit to hold an O licence! the TCs seem to take a keen interest when it comes to restricted taxi licence holders and firms who operate stretch limos for some reason! Quite a few have had their O licences revoked.
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