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E-cigarettes are not covered by the smoking ban meaning they can be used in public areas unless a business or body introduces their own policy
another stupid council
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs from taxis Anti-smoking campaigners have blasted a council's decision to ban passengers from smoking e-cigarettes in taxis. St Helens Council decided to ban passengers from using e-cigarettes as they felt drivers would find it difficult to tell if they were smoking real cigs. E-cigarettes are not covered by the smoking ban meaning they can be used in public areas unless a business or body introduces their own policy. But anti-smoking group Action on Smoking and Health have described the decision as "regrettable" and are calling for the ban to be rescinded. The ban is expected to provoke anger among sellers of the cigarettes who feel their use should be encouraged to help people quit smoking more harmful products. A spokesperson for ASH said: "I think it is a regrettable decision as they are not tobacco products. "Smokers use e-cigarettes to help cut down or even quit smoking so by banning them they are making it more difficult to those people. "They wouldn't put a ban on people using nicotine gum or patches so why do it with e-cigarettes. "No-one likes breathing in cigarette fumes and they are so pungent it is easy for people to tell the difference between them and e-cigarettes. "I think they should rescind the ban because quite simply there is no problem with smoking these cigarettes in public." The council is standing by its decision to ban the products while saying it would be "unfair" to expect taxi drivers to check what passengers were smoking. A spokesperson for St Helens Council said: "The council's Licensing Committee has approved a clear and easy-to-understand policy for taxis that makes it easier to enforce the general 'no smoking' rule in cabs. "It prevents the smoking of both tobacco and e-cigarettes by either passengers or taxi drivers. "E-cigarettes are obviously designed to look exactly like tobacco cigarettes and it would be unfair to expect drivers to start checking exactly what their passengers were smoking if there was a dispute. "We believe this is a responsible attitude to take, bearing in mind that e-cigarettes are completely unregulated and the long term effects are unknown. "Accordingly we will soon be launching a new policy, covering our own staff, that brackets e-cigarettes with tobacco products. "We are also producing similar guidelines for local businesses and employers to consider as part of their own smoking policies." http://www.clickliverpool.com/news/live ... taxis.html |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
Quote: E-cigarettes are not covered by the smoking ban meaning they can be used in public areas unless a business or body introduces their own policy another stupid council
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
If drivers and passengers totally ignore the daft rule what could the council do,they are not covered or band by the smoking regulations, so if the council decided to revoke a driver's licence and that driver appealed to a magistrate he would get his licence back straight away |
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| Author: | Nidge2 [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
skippy41 wrote: If drivers and passengers totally ignore the daft rule what could the council do,they are not covered or band by the smoking regulations, so if the council decided to revoke a driver's licence and that driver appealed to a magistrate he would get his licence back straight away But what if that appeal was set for November and would the Council let him drive on appeal?? |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
captain cab wrote: St Helens Council decided to ban passengers from using e-cigarettes as they felt drivers would find it difficult to tell if they were smoking real cigs. Bunch of Arseholes |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
captain cab wrote: Quote: E-cigarettes are not covered by the smoking ban meaning they can be used in public areas unless a business or body introduces their own policy another stupid council Another!!!...aren't they all??? |
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| Author: | andycable [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
captain cab wrote: Quote: E-cigarettes are not covered by the smoking ban meaning they can be used in public areas unless a business or body introduces their own policy another stupid council Same council cc , but ASH have changed their tune as this was their response when I contacted them when the story broke andycable wrote: Gobby wrote: Personally think they try it on with us...because they know they can and get away with it. If the learned tinkers tailors and candlestick makers have all voted a ban on e ciggs into conditions, and a driver is breached for flouting these conditions...might be an idea to take up with ASH, the manufacturer's or other pressure groups who might jump at the free publicity on the back of it all? Response from Paul Hooper from ASH "Hi Andy I am not aware of the details of this rule change however it would appear to relate to the confusion/misrepresentation that can occur when a person is seen apparently smoking a cigarette and they subsequently claim to have been using an e-cig. This rule removes any doubt. If a driver wants to maintain a level of nicotine in their body there are alternatives such as gum, patches, lozenges and spray that could be used within the vehicle without falling foul of the licensing department. Hope that helps" |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
captain cab wrote: "We believe this is a responsible attitude to take, bearing in mind that e-cigarettes are completely unregulated and the long term effects are unknown. It's not responsible, it reprehensible. I deal with some very sensible clued up civil servants, but St Helens council must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for the lot they have. Ably assisted by some f*** wit councillors. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
Sussex wrote: captain cab wrote: "We believe this is a responsible attitude to take, bearing in mind that e-cigarettes are completely unregulated and the long term effects are unknown. It's not responsible, it reprehensible. I deal with some very sensible clued up civil servants, but St Helens council must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for the lot they have. Ably assisted by some f*** wit councillors. 
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
gusmac wrote: Sussex wrote: captain cab wrote: "We believe this is a responsible attitude to take, bearing in mind that e-cigarettes are completely unregulated and the long term effects are unknown. It's not responsible, it reprehensible. I deal with some very sensible clued up civil servants, but St Helens council must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for the lot they have. Ably assisted by some f*** wit councillors.
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
You can use them in St helens hospital 
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| Author: | Nidge2 [ Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-smoking group blasts council's move to ban e-cigs |
Sussex wrote: captain cab wrote: "We believe this is a responsible attitude to take, bearing in mind that e-cigarettes are completely unregulated and the long term effects are unknown. It's not responsible, it reprehensible. I deal with some very sensible clued up civil servants, but St Helens council must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel for the lot they have. Ably assisted by some f*** wit councillors. St Helens is in Merseyside so I think that explains the above. |
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