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Courts fine Liverpool hackney taxi’s targeting Sefton’s streets

FIGURES reveal a shock rise in the number of hackney carriages with Liverpool licences caught plying for hire in Sefton.

Statistics gathered through a joint police and taxi licensing unit operation were sent before Sefton Council’s licensing and regulatory committee on Tuesday.

The results show that the number of Liverpool licensed hackney carriage drivers among the taxi drivers brought before the courts increased from 66% in 2011/2012 to 80% in 2012/2013.

Ex-hackney cab driver, and Conservative Cambridge Ward councillor, Tony Crabtree said the figures and statistics reflect just how desperate the taxi trade is.

He added: “Once you go out of your own area, you are not supposed to have your ‘for hire’ sign on if you are a hackney. But there will be some that just forget to turn it off and have been caught that way.

“Then some of these cabs will be deliberately competing, or plying for hire, in Sefton.”

John Whiteside, the boss of Southport’s Yellow Tops Taxis told the Visiter that he does not see many Liverpool cabs in the Southport area and that it is the south of the borough that is most affected.

He added: “Because it is Sefton as a whole, it might be that these drivers are getting caught coming over the boundary to Bootle.

“My drivers have not said many Liverpool cabs are coming up here. I know we get Bootle taxis up here at the weekend because our economy is better, but they are allowed to work the ranks here.”

The statistics also showed that the number of Sefton private hire drivers caught illegally plying for hire has decreased from 25% to 8% of the cases prosecuted. Knowsley drivers now account for 12%.

Private hire taxis are only permitted to take fares that have been booked with a firm, otherwise they are not insured.

David Moorhouse, a driver with Quick Cars, said that in 2005 he was fined £715 and received six points on his licence after picking up a non-booked fare in an undercover operation.

He added: “Money is money, of course I wanted to earn the fare.

“They looked like a respectable couple, so I let them jump in quick and took them to Ormskirk. They paid me and no one said a word.

“The next day I found out I had actually picked up two undercover community police officers – and I was taken to court and fined.

“This day and age money is tight and all the drivers want or need to make money. If someone flags me, at the end of the day I am taxi and I will go and pick them up.”

source: http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/south ... -34255863/

I thought the complaints were usually the other way around.

Sefton drivers illegally plying for hire in Liverpool are evil parasites preying on innocent cabbies ... Liverpool drivers illegally plying for hire in Sefton are innocent victims of desperation CAUSED by the evil Sefton drivers.

Discuss!

“This day and age money is tight and all the drivers want or need to make money. If someone flags me, at the end of the day I am taxi and I will go and pick them up.”

Online reports show Sefton illegal plying for hire figures between April 2013 and December 2013
19 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted
3 Knowsley PH drivers prosecuted
2 Sefton PH drivers prosecuted
1 West Lancs PH driver prosecuted

Online reports show Liverpool illegal plying for hire figures for whole of 2013
6 Sefton PH drivers prosecuted
2 Liverpool PH drivers prosecuted
1 Liverpool HC driver prosecuted??? (Presumably outside Liverpool)

There were also 6 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted for no licence and no insurance as well as 6 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted for failing to behave in a civil and orderly manner.

Parked with light on whilst not on a rank would I believe come under 'failing to proceed to an appointed rank' of which there were 8 prosecutions and 38 written cautions.

Written cautions also accounted for a further 11 cases of failing to behave in a civil and orderly manner, 7 cases of Liverpool HC vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers, 8 Liverpool HC drivers taking and demanding greater fare, 38 Liverpool HC tyre offences and 29 Liverpool PH tyre offences...

I should hope not to advertise anything but the truth... Those figures are from Liverpool City Council's own website and presumably don't include cases still pending when they were published at the turn of the year...

Author:	captain cab [ Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:27 pm ]
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Courts fine Liverpool hackney taxi’s targeting Sefton’s streets FIGURES reveal a shock rise in the number of hackney carriages with Liverpool licences caught plying for hire in Sefton. Statistics gathered through a joint police and taxi licensing unit operation were sent before Sefton Council’s licensing and regulatory committee on Tuesday. The results show that the number of Liverpool licensed hackney carriage drivers among the taxi drivers brought before the courts increased from 66% in 2011/2012 to 80% in 2012/2013. Ex-hackney cab driver, and Conservative Cambridge Ward councillor, Tony Crabtree said the figures and statistics reflect just how desperate the taxi trade is. He added: “Once you go out of your own area, you are not supposed to have your ‘for hire’ sign on if you are a hackney. But there will be some that just forget to turn it off and have been caught that way. “Then some of these cabs will be deliberately competing, or plying for hire, in Sefton.” John Whiteside, the boss of Southport’s Yellow Tops Taxis told the Visiter that he does not see many Liverpool cabs in the Southport area and that it is the south of the borough that is most affected. He added: “Because it is Sefton as a whole, it might be that these drivers are getting caught coming over the boundary to Bootle. “My drivers have not said many Liverpool cabs are coming up here. I know we get Bootle taxis up here at the weekend because our economy is better, but they are allowed to work the ranks here.” The statistics also showed that the number of Sefton private hire drivers caught illegally plying for hire has decreased from 25% to 8% of the cases prosecuted. Knowsley drivers now account for 12%. Private hire taxis are only permitted to take fares that have been booked with a firm, otherwise they are not insured. David Moorhouse, a driver with Quick Cars, said that in 2005 he was fined £715 and received six points on his licence after picking up a non-booked fare in an undercover operation. He added: “Money is money, of course I wanted to earn the fare. “They looked like a respectable couple, so I let them jump in quick and took them to Ormskirk. They paid me and no one said a word. “The next day I found out I had actually picked up two undercover community police officers – and I was taken to court and fined. “This day and age money is tight and all the drivers want or need to make money. If someone flags me, at the end of the day I am taxi and I will go and pick them up.” source: http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/south ... -34255863/

Author:	grandad [ Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:03 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: Courts fine Liverpool hackney taxi’s targeting Sefton’s streets FIGURES reveal a shock rise in the number of hackney carriages with Liverpool licences caught plying for hire in Sefton. Statistics gathered through a joint police and taxi licensing unit operation were sent before Sefton Council’s licensing and regulatory committee on Tuesday. The results show that the number of Liverpool licensed hackney carriage drivers among the taxi drivers brought before the courts increased from 66% in 2011/2012 to 80% in 2012/2013. Ex-hackney cab driver, and Conservative Cambridge Ward councillor, Tony Crabtree said the figures and statistics reflect just how desperate the taxi trade is. He added: “Once you go out of your own area, you are not supposed to have your ‘for hire’ sign on if you are a hackney. But there will be some that just forget to turn it off and have been caught that way. “Then some of these cabs will be deliberately competing, or plying for hire, in Sefton.” John Whiteside, the boss of Southport’s Yellow Tops Taxis told the Visiter that he does not see many Liverpool cabs in the Southport area and that it is the south of the borough that is most affected. He added: “Because it is Sefton as a whole, it might be that these drivers are getting caught coming over the boundary to Bootle. “My drivers have not said many Liverpool cabs are coming up here. I know we get Bootle taxis up here at the weekend because our economy is better, but they are allowed to work the ranks here.” The statistics also showed that the number of Sefton private hire drivers caught illegally plying for hire has decreased from 25% to 8% of the cases prosecuted. Knowsley drivers now account for 12%. Private hire taxis are only permitted to take fares that have been booked with a firm, otherwise they are not insured. David Moorhouse, a driver with Quick Cars, said that in 2005 he was fined £715 and received six points on his licence after picking up a non-booked fare in an undercover operation. He added: “Money is money, of course I wanted to earn the fare. “They looked like a respectable couple, so I let them jump in quick and took them to Ormskirk. They paid me and no one said a word. “The next day I found out I had actually picked up two undercover community police officers – and I was taken to court and fined. “This day and age money is tight and all the drivers want or need to make money. If someone flags me, at the end of the day I am taxi and I will go and pick them up.” source: http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/south ... -34255863/ I thought the complaints were usually the other way around.

Author:	Sussex [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:50 am ]
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captain cab wrote: “My drivers Oh I really love it when operators say that.

Author:	Sussex [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:51 am ]
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grandad wrote: I thought the complaints were usually the other way around. I think that's because we only ever hear Liverpool's Unite Union's version of events.

Author:	Socrates [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:05 am ]
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Sefton drivers illegally plying for hire in Liverpool are evil parasites preying on innocent cabbies ... Liverpool drivers illegally plying for hire in Sefton are innocent victims of desperation CAUSED by the evil Sefton drivers. Discuss!

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Author:	Sussex [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:39 pm ]
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Socrates wrote: Sefton drivers illegally plying for hire in Liverpool are evil parasites preying on innocent cabbies ... Liverpool drivers illegally plying for hire in Sefton are innocent victims of desperation CAUSED by the evil Sefton drivers. Discuss! Na.

Author:	toots [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:37 pm ]
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Quote: “This day and age money is tight and all the drivers want or need to make money. If someone flags me, at the end of the day I am taxi and I will go and pick them up.” Spoken like a true ph driver

Author:	toots [ Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:59 pm ]
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Socrates wrote: Sefton drivers illegally plying for hire in Liverpool are evil parasites preying on innocent cabbies ... Liverpool drivers illegally plying for hire in Sefton are innocent victims of desperation CAUSED by the evil Sefton drivers. Discuss! I think Liverpool taxis were the masters of their own demise. Had they not been so god damn cheeky prior to Delta becoming what it is people may have chosen to use them more instead of ringing for the private hire. I've lost count how many times I've been told 'no' by a Liverpool taxi when I've wanted to get home, when I've been able to get a taxi to take me I've had to be subjected to negotiation of fare process. You'd think that tunnel was the entrance to the fires of hell. Socrates wrote: innocent cabbies Really? All that aside I would like to see the figures that those % rates represent. I find % rates a little misleading most of the time. As shown the % rate of taxis being caught has increased over that of the phvs but there still could be more phvs being caught than taxis. Also how many operations did they conduct for each side of the trade. Stats show very little other than the increase so I'd like to see the facts that were used to gain the stats.

Author:	Socrates [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:16 pm ]
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Online reports show Sefton illegal plying for hire figures between April 2013 and December 2013 19 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted 3 Knowsley PH drivers prosecuted 2 Sefton PH drivers prosecuted 1 West Lancs PH driver prosecuted Online reports show Liverpool illegal plying for hire figures for whole of 2013 6 Sefton PH drivers prosecuted 2 Liverpool PH drivers prosecuted 1 Liverpool HC driver prosecuted??? (Presumably outside Liverpool) There were also 6 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted for no licence and no insurance as well as 6 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted for failing to behave in a civil and orderly manner.

Author:	toots [ Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:46 pm ]
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Socrates wrote: Online reports show Sefton illegal plying for hire figures between April 2013 and December 2013 19 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted 3 Knowsley PH drivers prosecuted 2 Sefton PH drivers prosecuted 1 West Lancs PH driver prosecuted Online reports show Liverpool illegal plying for hire figures for whole of 2013 6 Sefton PH drivers prosecuted 2 Liverpool PH drivers prosecuted 1 Liverpool HC driver prosecuted??? (Presumably outside Liverpool) There were also 6 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted for no licence and no insurance as well as 6 Liverpool HC drivers prosecuted for failing to behave in a civil and orderly manner. It doesn't look good for the Liverpool taxi drivers. I would assume that the Liverpool taxi within Liverpool was possibly parked up but not on a rank with his 'For Hire' sign lit. I have to say I'm not surprised about the 6 failing to behave in a civil and orderly manner either.

Author:	Socrates [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 12:49 am ]
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Parked with light on whilst not on a rank would I believe come under 'failing to proceed to an appointed rank' of which there were 8 prosecutions and 38 written cautions. Written cautions also accounted for a further 11 cases of failing to behave in a civil and orderly manner, 7 cases of Liverpool HC vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers, 8 Liverpool HC drivers taking and demanding greater fare, 38 Liverpool HC tyre offences and 29 Liverpool PH tyre offences...

Author:	toots [ Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:05 am ]
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Socrates wrote: Parked with light on whilst not on a rank would I believe come under 'failing to proceed to an appointed rank' of which there were 8 prosecutions and 38 written cautions. Written cautions also accounted for a further 11 cases of failing to behave in a civil and orderly manner, 7 cases of Liverpool HC vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers, 8 Liverpool HC drivers taking and demanding greater fare, 38 Liverpool HC tyre offences and 29 Liverpool PH tyre offences... You're not really a good advert for Liverpool taxis are you

Author:	Socrates [ Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:42 am ]
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I should hope not to advertise anything but the truth... Those figures are from Liverpool City Council's own website and presumably don't include cases still pending when they were published at the turn of the year...

Author:	toots [ Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:14 pm ]
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Socrates wrote: I should hope not to advertise anything but the truth... Those figures are from Liverpool City Council's own website and presumably don't include cases still pending when they were published at the turn of the year... Well as Henry Ford is believed to have said "don't find fault, find a remedy"

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Author:	Socrates [ Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:40 pm ]
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The remedy is the same as it's always been... enforcement and prosecution. You will never eradicate it but a pro-active enforcement team can minimise it.