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Author:  grandad [ Wed May 14, 2014 5:56 am ]
Post subject:  Kapla?
At the taxi exhibition yesterday I was handed a leaflet from a company called Kapla.
the leaflet starts:-
Question: Are you ready for the new self-employment legislation?
Hint: Sorry to worry you, it's already here!
It states that legislation was introduced in the finance bill 2014 and became effective from April 2014.
The legislation means, if your drivers (and escorts) are under supervision, direction or control,you must now pay them under PAYE.
Does anyone have any other information on this?
I would have expected there to be a section on here dedicated to this change if it is correct.
Author:  thelodger [ Wed May 14, 2014 7:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
If true, its about time.
Author:  Sussex [ Wed May 14, 2014 9:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
grandad wrote:
The legislation means, if your drivers (and escorts) are under supervision, direction or control,you must now pay them under PAYE.

I suspect it will all go down to the definition of 'control'.

But if it actually deals with pseudo self-employment then great.
Author:  skippy41 [ Wed May 14, 2014 9:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
Any links to this legislation??
Our council insist that any company doing school contracts pay the driver and escort, but how the companies circumnavigate around it is a mystery, due to them being self employed the rest of the day
Author:  bloodnock [ Wed May 14, 2014 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
skippy41 wrote:
Any links to this legislation??
Our council insist that any company doing school contracts pay the driver and escort, but how the companies circumnavigate around it is a mystery, due to them being self employed the rest of the day


That's not 100% right Skip, my Special needs contract brings with it a Council employee as an escort for the pupil, I don't employee anybody and nor would I ever want to for all the grief and red tape it brings.
Author:  bloodnock [ Wed May 14, 2014 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ir35/summary.htm

It's seems to be explained here but as I don't understand "Government Speak" it's all greek to me..

Can any of you more Intellectual types translate it into plain language for me please.
Author:  roythebus [ Wed May 14, 2014 7:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
It would appear to me that it puts paid to the cab barons and their "self-employed" drivers. If a punter books through "the firm", the contract is between the punter and "the firm". Anyone providing that service on behalf of "the firm", i.e. the cab driver, will have tax and class 1 NI deducted by "the firm" (the intermediary). It is "the intermediary's" problem to pay the tax and NI.

If the punter books the cab directly with the driver, then the driver is self-employed, no intermediary involved.

But then I may be wrong. :?
Author:  skippy41 [ Wed May 14, 2014 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
I think I have now worked it out,
If a person requiring a taxi, PH, and they call the office to book one, and the office calls upon a driver to go and do the run they are now employees, but if they are sole traders and they take the call personally the rule does not apply.
Have I interpreted it correctly or near as damn it
Author:  thelodger [ Wed May 14, 2014 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
He is not my Grandad, but I always look for his posts, Most are very enlightening.
Author:  roythebus [ Thu May 15, 2014 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
skippy41 wrote:
I think I have now worked it out,
If a person requiring a taxi, PH, and they call the office to book one, and the office calls upon a driver to go and do the run they are now employees, but if they are sole traders and they take the call personally the rule does not apply.
Have I interpreted it correctly or near as damn it
Yep, that's more or less how I interpret it. So, if you are s/e and your school is with XYZ Cabs, and XYZ Cabs gives you the school run to do, you are now seen to be employed by XYZ Cabs and they get lumbered with paying your tax and NI.

If you personally have the school contract with Midshire County council, then you are self-employed. If YOU sub it out to someone else, you have to pay his tax and NI. I think... :?
Author:  grandad [ Thu May 15, 2014 9:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
roythebus wrote:
skippy41 wrote:
I think I have now worked it out,
If a person requiring a taxi, PH, and they call the office to book one, and the office calls upon a driver to go and do the run they are now employees, but if they are sole traders and they take the call personally the rule does not apply.
Have I interpreted it correctly or near as damn it
Yep, that's more or less how I interpret it. So, if you are s/e and your school is with XYZ Cabs, and XYZ Cabs gives you the school run to do, you are now seen to be employed by XYZ Cabs and they get lumbered with paying your tax and NI.

If you personally have the school contract with Midshire County council, then you are self-employed. If YOU sub it out to someone else, you have to pay his tax and NI. I think... :?

How do you interpret the situation regarding an office sending drivers for "normal" work like pick up from ASDA and take home?
Author:  thelodger [ Thu May 15, 2014 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
Does this forum have moderators? I see a personal attack for no reason and its distracting from the original reason for the post.
Author:  skippy41 [ Thu May 15, 2014 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
grandad wrote:
roythebus wrote:
skippy41 wrote:
I think I have now worked it out,
If a person requiring a taxi, PH, and they call the office to book one, and the office calls upon a driver to go and do the run they are now employees, but if they are sole traders and they take the call personally the rule does not apply.
Have I interpreted it correctly or near as damn it
Yep, that's more or less how I interpret it. So, if you are s/e and your school is with XYZ Cabs, and XYZ Cabs gives you the school run to do, you are now seen to be employed by XYZ Cabs and they get lumbered with paying your tax and NI.

If you personally have the school contract with Midshire County council, then you are self-employed. If YOU sub it out to someone else, you have to pay his tax and NI. I think... :?

How do you interpret the situation regarding an office sending drivers for "normal" work like pick up from ASDA and take home?


If the office sends any driver hackney or PH regardless of if that driver owns there vehicle they are now employees, and it doesn't need to be an actual physical office, it could also apply to those that work car to car, I informed quite a few drivers of this new rule today and as usual most buried there heads in the sand
Author:  Chris the Fish [ Thu May 15, 2014 7:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
Be fair Skippy, they probably know you.

:roll:
Author:  skippy41 [ Thu May 15, 2014 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kapla?
Chris the Fish wrote:
Be fair Skippy, they probably know you.

:roll:

Your probably right Chris, trouble is there is that much sheit flying about most don't even know whats going on in the next town, I will just let the sheit hit the fan and then I can say I did warn you all
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