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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing mobile phone appeal A taxi driver has been left with a £1,000 bill after challenging a decision to have his licence suspended for driving while on his mobile phone. Jason Anthony Barnes, 43, of Kirkbampton, near Carlisle, was seen by a member of the public on November 25 last year, driving through Carlisle city centre while on his phone. The man complained to Carlisle City Council, telling them Mr Barnes had turned right from Harrington Street into Victoria Place and had failed to see him while he was turning opposite. He claimed the two vehicles would have collided had he not taken evasive action and that Mr Barnes had not seen him because he was on the phone at the time. It was alleged that Mr Barnes, who has held a taxi licence since 2002, then continued to use his mobile phone while driving along Georgian Way, Hardwicke Circus and onto Castle Way. Initially he denied being in the areas stated at the time of the incident, but after the city council licensing officer was informed by the owner of the taxi company that Mr Barnes had been in the area, he recalled doing a drop off at Trinity School. The taxi driver had his licence suspended at a council regulatory panel meeting on February 12, a decision Mr Barnes appealed. At the meeting the complainant told the panel he had seen Mr Barnes close up and was holding a mobile phone to his left ear. He then told the panel he would “not have been able to live with himself” if he had not reported what he had seen. Mr Barnes’ legal representative said that he was not on his mobile phone but rubbing his head due to suffering a brain injury which left him with two holes in the left side of his head. His appeal at North Cumbria Magistrate’s Court on May 14 was dismissed and a further appeal at Carlisle Crown Court last Thursday was also dismissed by a judge. It means the decision to suspend his license for two months was upheld and he will also have to pay the £1,000 in costs to the city council. Mr Barnes will have to sit and pass a Driving Standards Agency taxi driving test within 13 weeks, and must submit a report from a neurologist consultant to confirm he is fit to drive. The licensing panel also heard about a previous complaint of a similar nature but they had not followed up because the complainant had not taken the report any further. In the report of the meeting, the panel said “they accepted fully the evidence given by the witness, that Mr Barnes was using his mobile phone whilst driving, and did not find Mr Barnes a credible witness”. The panel “felt the matter was serious and Mr Barnes had a history of driving offences”. Mr Barnes was unavailable for comment source: http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/taxi- ... 1.1157227# |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
this is the same chap; viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23472&hilit=barnes |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
we have f*ckwits and more f&ckwits in this great job of ours |
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| Author: | Nidge2 [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
He's off the road now. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
captain cab wrote: You seemed to think it would have been unfair to suspend the chap on this occasion. Do you still hold that view? |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
grandad wrote: You seemed to think it would have been unfair to suspend the chap on this occasion. Do you still hold that view? I don't think I did.....hence the headline
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| Author: | grandad [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
captain cab wrote: grandad wrote: You seemed to think it would have been unfair to suspend the chap on this occasion. Do you still hold that view? I don't think I did.....hence the headline ![]() I meant the occasion in the link when he said he was wrongly convicted. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
grandad wrote: captain cab wrote: grandad wrote: You seemed to think it would have been unfair to suspend the chap on this occasion. Do you still hold that view? I don't think I did.....hence the headline ![]() I meant the occasion in the link when he said he was wrongly convicted. wondering what part of "Council believe cock and bull story shocker" is confusing
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| Author: | grandad [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
captain cab wrote: wondering what part of "Council believe cock and bull story shocker" is confusing ![]() You agreed with blackpool that it would have been harsh to penalise him further on that occasion.
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| Author: | captain cab [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
grandad wrote: You agreed with blackpool that it would have been harsh to penalise him further on that occasion. ![]() yeah? oops - hang him
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| Author: | grandad [ Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
captain cab wrote: grandad wrote: You agreed with blackpool that it would have been harsh to penalise him further on that occasion. ![]() yeah? oops - hang him ![]()
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| Author: | jimbo [ Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
captain cab wrote: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing mobile phone appeal A taxi driver has been left with a £1,000 bill after challenging a decision to have his licence suspended for driving while on his mobile phone. Jason Anthony Barnes, 43, of Kirkbampton, near Carlisle, was seen by a member of the public on November 25 last year, driving through Carlisle city centre while on his phone. The man complained to Carlisle City Council, telling them Mr Barnes had turned right from Harrington Street into Victoria Place and had failed to see him while he was turning opposite. He claimed the two vehicles would have collided had he not taken evasive action and that Mr Barnes had not seen him because he was on the phone at the time. It was alleged that Mr Barnes, who has held a taxi licence since 2002, then continued to use his mobile phone while driving along Georgian Way, Hardwicke Circus and onto Castle Way. Initially he denied being in the areas stated at the time of the incident, but after the city council licensing officer was informed by the owner of the taxi company that Mr Barnes had been in the area, he recalled doing a drop off at Trinity School. The taxi driver had his licence suspended at a council regulatory panel meeting on February 12, a decision Mr Barnes appealed. At the meeting the complainant told the panel he had seen Mr Barnes close up and was holding a mobile phone to his left ear. He then told the panel he would “not have been able to live with himself” if he had not reported what he had seen. Mr Barnes’ legal representative said that he was not on his mobile phone but rubbing his head due to suffering a brain injury which left him with two holes in the left side of his head. His appeal at North Cumbria Magistrate’s Court on May 14 was dismissed and a further appeal at Carlisle Crown Court last Thursday was also dismissed by a judge. It means the decision to suspend his license for two months was upheld and he will also have to pay the £1,000 in costs to the city council. Mr Barnes will have to sit and pass a Driving Standards Agency taxi driving test within 13 weeks, and must submit a report from a neurologist consultant to confirm he is fit to drive. The licensing panel also heard about a previous complaint of a similar nature but they had not followed up because the complainant had not taken the report any further. In the report of the meeting, the panel said “they accepted fully the evidence given by the witness, that Mr Barnes was using his mobile phone whilst driving, and did not find Mr Barnes a credible witness”. The panel “felt the matter was serious and Mr Barnes had a history of driving offences”. Mr Barnes was unavailable for comment source: http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/taxi- ... 1.1157227# "Where an applicant has been convicted of a criminal offence the council cannot review the merits of the conviction. (Nottingham City Council v. Mohammed Farooq 1998) |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
jimbo wrote: "Where an applicant has been convicted of a criminal offence the council cannot review the merits of the conviction. (Nottingham City Council v. Mohammed Farooq 1998) I don't think he was convicted of the mobile phone offence - it was a complaint by a member of the public. |
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| Author: | sasha [ Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
There's something missing here, erm let me think ---- evidence ? So an ordinary member of the public can say they saw a taxi driver using a phone and that's enough for the council to take away their licence ? So I can say I saw a police officer or council officer/councillor using their phone and they will also lose their livelihoods ? Might be a good way to get rid of rival taxi firms, just keep reporting all their drivers for using their phones, don't need any proof just make it up.
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| Author: | jimbo [ Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Taxi driver's £1,000 bill after losing appeal |
captain cab wrote: jimbo wrote: "Where an applicant has been convicted of a criminal offence the council cannot review the merits of the conviction. (Nottingham City Council v. Mohammed Farooq 1998) I don't think he was convicted of the mobile phone offence - it was a complaint by a member of the public. Yerp should have put that up on the red light offence thread. |
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