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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:08 pm 
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And nothing to do with plate values then? So Blackpool's plate values are irrelevant, if the lack of a plate value in Hartlepool is? Or are all coastal town Taxi's, in your word, "S***"?

Blackpool plates premiums are not irrelevant, but the reason for the poor standards. Hartlepool, if you are right, have no reason for poor standards.

But both councils should be ashamed to allow such standards in the first place.

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See, if there is one thing on this site that boils my urine, it's the way plate values are made to be such a big deal.

Plate values are viewed, by those with sense, as evidence of SUD.

And if a council has SUD, then they shouldn't reject plate applications.

That's why a big thing is made of them. :wink:

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Jimbo I can just see Sussex in my mind's eye driving around the lanes, in his little hand painted VW beetle with its two-seater trailer fastened to the back practicing to be a real Hackney driver mr T :lol: :lol: :wink: :-o

Your starting to sound like your accountant. :lol:

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See, if there is one thing on this site that boils my urine, it's the way plate values are made to be such a big deal. The list of plate values publishes only the sensational, megabuck cities. I bet there are hundreds of parishes like mine, that have never had high plate values, or values have been non existent. Go on TDO, put Lincoln on your list. last plate here changed hands for £3,500 (including cab!) three months ago. :-|


I don't know about plate values being a big deal but vehicle quality and enforcement is down to each individual licensing Authority. It doesn't really matter if the authority is restricted or not but perhaps the point being made is that in many cases paying thousands for a plate is an unnecessary financial burden which may effect the owners ability to maintain a hackney carriage vehicle to the standard that is required. Oldham a few weeks ago is a classic case in point. Poor upkeep of vehicles both hackney and private hire is more down to personal circumstance than whether or not an authority is restricted.

By the way, there are plate values not on that list which are equally compatible with the highest values so far published, so don't for one minute think that just because they are not on the list they are not relevant. Your reference to "hundreds" of parishes like yours is an exaggeration because there are not hundreds of authorities that restrict numbers. The actual figure is 57 with 48 still to make a decision so please let's not try and exaggerate too much when making these types of statements.

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jimbo wrote:
See, if there is one thing on this site that boils my urine, it's the way plate values are made to be such a big deal. The list of plate values publishes only the sensational, megabuck cities. I bet there are hundreds of parishes like mine, that have never had high plate values, or values have been non existent. Go on TDO, put Lincoln on your list. last plate here changed hands for £3,500 (including cab!) three months ago. :-|


It's not TDO's list, but please remember that a pro-restrictions mush told the HoC Transport Committee that total UK plate values were around a billion pounds.

JD's list shows only around a quarter of a billion, so it's actually downplaying the situation, not sensationalising it :wink:

Anyway, I think JD needed a bit more robust evidence before including a value on his list - not just because 'jimbo' says so. After all, it's not that long ago that Mr 187ums claimed that Oxford plates were not worth the plastic they were on :^o

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jimbo wrote:
See, if there is one thing on this site that boils my urine, it's the way plate values are made to be such a big deal. The list of plate values publishes only the sensational, megabuck cities. I bet there are hundreds of parishes like mine, that have never had high plate values, or values have been non existent. Go on TDO, put Lincoln on your list. last plate here changed hands for £3,500 (including cab!) three months ago. :-|


It's not TDO's list, but please remember that a pro-restrictions mush told the HoC Transport Committee that total UK plate values were around a billion pounds.

JD's list shows only around a quarter of a billion, so it's actually downplaying the situation, not sensationalising it :wink:

Anyway, I think JD needed a bit more robust evidence before including a value on his list - not just because 'jimbo' says so. After all, it's not that long ago that Mr 187ums claimed that Oxford plates were not worth the plastic they were on :^o


So how reliable is the source that states Blackpool plates are worth whatever? Did you see a reciept? Does anyone admit to paying or recieving money for plates? Only a few years ago City of Lincoln Council could not give away 50% of the plates that were available. There is no more evidence available for your figures than there are for mine. Call me a liar, if you like, but it's strange that the "Guinness book of plate values" only contain High values, and no low ones. And no Sussex, that is not because low value plates in restricted areas do not exist.


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[PDF] Blackpool Borough Council Halcrow G roup L im ite dFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
restriction occur the current earning potential of taxi driv ers w ould decrease ... that the current re-sale value. of a hack ney licence plate is £ 37000. ...
www.blackpool.gov.uk/faqs/getfile.aspx?id=2293 - The 2005 Halcrow survey says 37000. It also said that blackpool has the lowest gdp in the north west blameing package holidays etc of course plate values are a big deal . Think of the poor lads repaying Loans . no wonder the Taxis are so crap. Streetcar.


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TDO wrote:
jimbo wrote:
See, if there is one thing on this site that boils my urine, it's the way plate values are made to be such a big deal. The list of plate values publishes only the sensational, megabuck cities. I bet there are hundreds of parishes like mine, that have never had high plate values, or values have been non existent. Go on TDO, put Lincoln on your list. last plate here changed hands for £3,500 (including cab!) three months ago. :-|


It's not TDO's list, but please remember that a pro-restrictions mush told the HoC Transport Committee that total UK plate values were around a billion pounds.

JD's list shows only around a quarter of a billion, so it's actually downplaying the situation, not sensationalising it :wink:

Not on my say so.

Halcrow report January 2005.

Quote: (2.6.3 page 10) "The Authority estimates the current resale value of a hackney carriage plate to be in the region of £3,000."

Anyway, I think JD needed a bit more robust evidence before including a value on his list - not just because 'jimbo' says so. After all, it's not that long ago that Mr 187ums claimed that Oxford plates were not worth the plastic they were on :^o


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oops! don't know how that slipped in there.
Anyway, Halcrow/council here estimate £3,000.


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jimbo wrote:
oops! don't know how that slipped in there.
Anyway, Halcrow/council here estimate £3,000.

Then you have a reasonable case for stating there is little, if no, SUD.

But if plate values are so low, and you need a WAV, then why on earth do you need to restrict? :?

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So how reliable is the source that states Blackpool plates are worth whatever? Did you see a reciept? Does anyone admit to paying or recieving money for plates? Only a few years ago City of Lincoln Council could not give away 50% of the plates that were available. There is no more evidence available for your figures than there are for mine. Call me a liar, if you like, but it's strange that the "Guinness book of plate values" only contain High values, and no low ones. And no Sussex, that is not because low value plates in restricted areas do not exist.


Who's calling you a liar? All I said was that for any scientific study evidence provide by one person anonymously is not sufficiently robust to be used as evidence - ask Halcrow if you like, you know, they're the real professors with letters after their names etc, as you claimed in the past. Indeed, some of the ex-troublemakers on here criticised JD's values on that basis, until it was pointed out that values provided in this way were not relied upon.

As for Blackpool, as streetcar said Halcrow (they're the ones with the real professors etc) used a figure of £37,000, and a Halton Council report said £40/45k for Blackpool. That's not to mention the results of JD's own investigations.

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jesus ... this sussex guy ( or is it girl , cos they dont half moan alot !!) you aint got a chip on your shoulder..... you gotta whole bags of spuds... better watch out your gonna loose your dummy soon , ..the way you keep throwin it outa your pram ..... go on is it a pink or blue dummy ....???? arghhhh .. am sure his mammy loves him haha ... yerk ...!!!


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cabbyste wrote:
jesus ... this sussex guy ( or is it girl , cos they dont half moan alot !!) you aint got a chip on your shoulder..... you gotta whole bags of spuds... better watch out your gonna loose your dummy soon , ..the way you keep throwin it outa your pram ..... go on is it a pink or blue dummy ....???? arghhhh .. am sure his mammy loves him haha ... yerk ...!!!

And when it gets up the noses of folks like you it makes it all worth while. :wink:

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doesnt get up my nose "girly", not at all , once again you get hold of the wrong end of the stick , i'm just pi**ing myself laffin at how utterly stupid an childish , and you obviously are to up your self to realise it, you sound... haha :shock:


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