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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:58 pm 
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Should a criminal conviction prevent people becoming taxi drivers? Kirklees Council lay down new guidelines



Tough new rules over who can drive taxis in Huddersfield are on the way.

A debate about what convictions should restrict a bid to become a taxi driver has led to the new policy.

Kirklees Licensing and Safety Committee approved a policy which sets out how long after a conviction the council will grant a taxi driver’s badge.

Taxi drivers with nine points on their licence will now be suspended until they take a Driving Standards Agency test.

The case of Penistone-based footballer Ched Evans, convicted of rape, was discussed with one councillor questioning precedent if he’s allowed to return to the pitch immediately after serving sentence.

Catherine Walter, Kirklees Licensing manager, said: “We have to consider what is appropriate, fit and proper for a badge to be given to drive a Hackney or private hire vehicle. Until recently we’ve only had a circular from the Home Office dating back to 1992, which is well out of date and no longer fit for purpose.”

Much of the debate focused on what Kirklees should do if a taxi drivers gets nine points on his/her licence.

Clr Mumtaz Hussain, Licensing chairman and Dewsbury West Labour, said: “I think it’s too harsh to suspend everyone once they get nine points until they take a test.

“They will lose their livelihood while they wait for a test date, sometimes people make mistakes and it’s harsh to take them off the road.”

Clr Christine Iredale, Golcar Lib Dem, said: “I think we should consider this on a case by case basis and merit rather than having a strict policy.”

But Clr David Ridgway, Colne Valley Lib Dem, disagreed: “We are talking here about professional drivers, they make a living in the public arena and the public demand a driver who acts within the law and is safe.

“If they have nine points on their licence they are not driving within the law and I think it is perfectly reasonable to suspend them until they can demonstrate they can act within the law.”

Clr Erin Hill, Crosland Moor and Netherton Labour, added: “Nine points is repeated breaking of the law. Personally I wouldn’t feel safe in a taxi, particularly if I was in a vulnerable position or drunk, getting into a taxi with someone who has broken the law.

“The problem is it takes so long to get a DSA test.”

Clr Derek Hardcastle, Kirkburton Green, said: “When people get a taxi they don’t get the choice of who is driving it. It is up to us to make sure that person is safe.

“If the public knew which taxi drivers had points on their licence they’d avoid getting into the car.”

Clr Ridgway raised the case of footballer Ched Evans, a convicted rapist due to be released from prison with a question mark over his future at Sheffield United.

A petition, signed by more than 145,000 people, has been launched to urge United and the Football Association to ban him from the game.

Clr Ridgway added: “Like the footballer, these people work in the public arena and if they commit an offence which is abhorrent to every balanced person, I feel there are reasonable arguments to ensure that a licence in these circumstances is not issued.”

Police do inform Kirklees if a taxi driver is arrested. However that only works if police are aware of the occupation of a person they arrest.

The new Kirklees policy includes:

Rape; sexual offences involving young/vulnerable people; trafficking for sexual exploitation; possession of indecent images of children: Application normally refused.

Sexual assault; indecent assault; exploitation for prostitution: Applicant should be free of conviction for at least 10 years/three years after sentence has ended, whichever is longer.

Indecent exposure; kerb crawling: Applicant should be free of conviction for at least three years/three years after sentence has ended, whichever is longer.

No-one on the sex offenders register will be granted a taxi licence.

Murder; manslaughter; terrorism: Unless there are exceptional circumstances a licence will not normally be granted.

Arson; GBH; robbery; possession of a firearm; riot; police assault; racially aggravated assault; violent disorder: Application refused if conviction is less than ten years old.

Racially aggravated criminal damage/offences: Application refused if conviction is less than five years old.

Common assault: affray, public order offences; criminal damage: Application refused if conviction is less than three years old.

Causing death by dangerous driving; death by careless driving while under the influence of drink or drugs: Applicant must be free of conviction for seven years/three years after sentence has ended, whichever is longer.

Causing death by careless driving; disqualified/unqualified drivers causing death by dangerous driving: Applicant should be free of conviction for 3 years/three years after sentence has ended, whichever is longer.

Other: possession of a weapon; drink driving; theft; burglary; fraud; handling or receiving stolen goods, will usually require applicant to be free of conviction for three years.

Drugs: The nature and quantity of drugs will be considered, but applicant will need to be free of conviction for three-five years.

source: http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yor ... le-7941019

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:45 pm 
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Clr Mumtaz Hussain, Licensing chairman and Dewsbury West Labour, said: “I think it’s too harsh to suspend everyone once they get nine points until they take a test.

“They will lose their livelihood while they wait for a test date, sometimes people make mistakes and it’s harsh to take them off the road.”

There will normally be plenty of time from when the driver gets the points until he notifies the council, or he has to re-license. in that time he can do the DSA test.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:46 pm 
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Common assault: affray, public order offences; criminal damage: Application refused if conviction is less than three years old.

Now that is harsh, in respect of common assault.

You can be convicted of common assault without even touching someone.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:19 am 
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Minor offences committed years ago when people were young dum and full of testosterone shouldn't go against them. When I was young I was a right dildo up until the age of 21. Now I wouldn't dream of getting into trouble.


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With penalty point for driving offences being dished out like confetti, and about 56% of the driving population having had points at some time, the council should take note of what they re actually for, not the quantity. You can get points for parking on zig-zags or being in a box junction. How many of us (including councillors) NEVER exceed the speed limit? :?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:36 am 
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With penalty point for driving offences being dished out like confetti, and about 56% of the driving population having had points at some time, the council should take note of what they re actually for, not the quantity. You can get points for parking on zig-zags or being in a box junction. How many of us (including councillors) NEVER exceed the speed limit? :?



Ask your local Police how many coppers have got speeding offences? You'll be shocked at the results.

I did a FOI to the local Police last year asking them the above^^^^^^^, most Coppers have got 6 or more points on their civilian and Police Driving licences.


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Huddersfield taxi drivers threaten wildcat strike over proposed Kirklees Council policy stopping cabbies working if they get 9 points on their licence



Town centre cabbies say new policy is 'draconian' and would force them to take a special retest at nine points before they could work again

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Members of Kirklees Hackney Carriage Association threaten to strike over new taxi licensing policy

Taxi drivers are to stage a ‘surprise’ strike to protest against a new regulation which prevents cabbies working if they accumulate nine points on their licence.

Members of Kirklees Hackney Carriage Association have threatened to strike on one day in the next six weeks unless Kirklees Council changes planned regulations which were unveiled on Wednesday.

Under the proposed new bylaw, cabbies who pick up nine or more points on their driving licences will have their taxi permits suspended.

To continue to work they must pass an ‘enhanced’ test set by the government Driving Standards Agency.

The new policy being drawn up by the council is to replace previous guidelines from the Home Office.

But Kirklees Hackney Carriage Association (KHCA) has said the regulation is ‘draconian’ and will hit their livelihood.

KHCA members added they were not consulted by Kirklees Council’s licensing department before the policy came into force.

Association spokesman Makhan Singh said: “There’s enough unemployment. We just want to earn and we work hard. We don’t want to claim from the government.

“When you drive as much as we do you will make a mistake.”

Mr Singh added: “We’re very serious about this strike.”

Taxi driver and KHCA member Suhail Rashid said: “It’s not just about the points system, there was no consultation so we couldn’t represent the drivers. The measure is draconian.”

Mr Rashid added: “Nine points doesn’t make you an unsafe driver.”

By comparison, bus drivers working for First or Arriva – or ambulance drivers working for Yorkshire Ambulance Service – must have no more than three points on their licence.

Haulage firm Eddie Stobart employs only lorry drivers with six points or less on their licences.

source: http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yor ... at-7954447

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:22 am 
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well dressed chaps - I love the sports direct autumn catalogue

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:49 pm 
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well dressed chaps - I love the sports direct autumn catalogue


You tvvat I've choked on me coffee :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:18 am 
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well dressed chaps - I love the sports direct autumn catalogue


See councils don't need a colour policy for drivers, or an age limit, or a vehicle type because it's like wrapping s**t in tinsel. All nice and sparkly on the outside :roll:

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Mr Rashid added: “Nine points doesn’t make you an unsafe driver.”


correct - it makes you a f*ckwit

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