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Author:  captain cab [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:01 pm ]
Post subject:  New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
TAXIS CLAMPDOWN: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline


NEW rules aimed at dissuading Derby taxi firms from using hackney carriages licensed outside the city have been ironed out after a legal dispute.

Derby City Council's taxis chief, Councillor Barbara Jackson, says there are "public safety" concerns over companies doing this as the authority does not have powers to check that the out-of-city cabs are working properly.

She says customers could also find themselves over-charged because some drivers licensed elsewhere do not know the best routes.

The council has now introduced new licence conditions.

It means firms will have to keep a record of the out-of-city hackney carriages and drivers they use to make it easier for council staff to follow up any complaints.

And city private hire firms must inform customers if they may be picked up by a hackney carriage not licensed in the city so that the customer can decide whether or not to proceed with the booking.

That latter rule was finalised in court by District Judge Ian Strongman after the original wording was challenged.

The council said he "provided a form of words [for the rule] that he felt more clearly set out the council's aim."

Mrs Jackson is chairwoman of the authority's licensing and appeals committee.

She said: "The decision vindicates the council's original decision to introduce the additional conditions to ensure the safety of residents and visitors to the city."

Drivers licensed by Derby City Council have to pass a tricky knowledge test about routes through Derby.

Mrs Jackson said: "Some of the taxi drivers that come from outside the city don't know their way around which, of course, can add to the cost.

"One thing about drivers [licensed in the city] is that they know their way around.

"They ask 'Which way do you want to go?'."

She added: "Whilst we carry out regular vehicle safety checks on our licensed vehicles and drivers, we have no powers to do so on vehicles or drivers licensed by another authority, even if they are working within our city.''

The use of hackney carriages not licensed in the city by Derby taxi firms is not illegal.

Only hackney carriages can operate as private hire taxis in areas where they are not licensed.

The challenge to the wording of the condition which the judge had to revise was from Albatross Cars and Chads Cars.

The council spokeswoman said: "The end result remains the same as the council originally intended.

"This is that users of private hire vehicles are made aware that a vehicle other than one licensed by the council may be sent to pick them up, so they can exercise a choice over whether or not to carry on with the booking."

An Albatross and Chads Cars spokesman said the result of their challenge represented a success for the firms.

But he would not elaborate further.

He said: "The appeal related to technical matters regarding conditions attached to their private hire operator licence.

"While they were successful in their action, they do not wish to comment on the outcome of the appeal."

The owner of Derby's 75 Taxis, Mohammed Yasin, said his firm had only used one taxi driver licensed outside Derby in the past year and that he had just taken his test to be licensed in Derby.

Mr Yasin said: "That was a one-off after he had promised to get his licence here.

"I think the new rules are a good idea, a good thing.

"On a Friday and Saturday night, maybe around 40 per cent of taxis in Derby city centre are not licensed here.

"It should be that if you want to work in Derby you go through the process that the city council has to do so."

QUESTION TIME

Some examples of questions in the Derby knowledge test:

Q: What is the street name where the Council House is located?

A: Corporation Street, Derby

Q: Describe the route you take from Derby Bus Station to Derbyshire County Cricket Ground

A: Leaving bus station, turn left on to Morledge, take left-hand lane on to Cockpitt and proceed on to St Alkmund's Way, taking left hand lane on to Darwin Place and into Eastgate. Take the left lane on to slip road to Pentagon Island. On roundabout, take second exit on to Nottingham Road and take first left into ground.

Q State what the private hire vehicle driver's licence condition states in relation to the driver's age limit.

A To hold a private hire driver's licence, the person shall have attained 21 years of age.

Q: How would you proceed to Kirk Hallam from the city centre, stating the roads you would use?

A: Leave Derby on A52 towards Nottingham. After approximately three miles, turn off the A52 at Spondon taking the slip road on to Lodge Lane. Follow the main road through Spondon village heading towards Ilkeston, passing through Sitwell Street, Moor Street and on to Dale Road. Follow Dale Road for approximately four miles, which leads directly into the centre of Kirk Hallam.


Read more: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/TAXIS-C ... z3I7VPUF9j
Author:  grandad [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
captain cab wrote:

And city private hire firms must inform customers if they may be picked up by a hackney carriage not licensed in the city so that the customer can decide whether or not to proceed with the booking.


I wonder how they will do this for customers who book using the app?
Author:  toots [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:

And city private hire firms must inform customers if they may be picked up by a hackney carriage not licensed in the city so that the customer can decide whether or not to proceed with the booking.


I wonder how they will do this for customers who book using the app?


I guess when the app tells the customer that the cab is on it's way it will give the vehicle details to the customer. It's no great effort to add where the vehicle is licensed and then it's up to the customer to reject the vehicle via the app if they don't it. Really quite simple :wink:
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
Another council making it up as they go along.

They have no powers to do anything to out of town taxi and ph vehicles, I repeat no powers.
Author:  grandad [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
toots wrote:
grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:

And city private hire firms must inform customers if they may be picked up by a hackney carriage not licensed in the city so that the customer can decide whether or not to proceed with the booking.


I wonder how they will do this for customers who book using the app?


I guess when the app tells the customer that the cab is on it's way it will give the vehicle details to the customer. It's no great effort to add where the vehicle is licensed and then it's up to the customer to reject the vehicle via the app if they don't it. Really quite simple :wink:

You forget that us country bumpkins don't know exactly how apps work. We just know what we have seen.
Author:  Nidge2 [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
Sussex wrote:
Another council making it up as they go along.

They have no powers to do anything to out of town taxi and ph vehicles, I repeat no powers.



They can't do anything in Derby about it, they've created a monster and now they can't tame it.
Author:  captain cab [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
the out of town vehicle situation has been ignored by both labour and the coalition governments - this is what the government should have been addressing, not the scr*wed up deregulation bill.
Author:  toots [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
Grandad wrote:
You forget that us country bumpkins don't know exactly how apps work. We just know what we have seen


There's no need for sarcasm :lol: If you really don't know how they work go do some research :wink:
Author:  grandad [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
toots wrote:
Grandad wrote:
You forget that us country bumpkins don't know exactly how apps work. We just know what we have seen


There's no need for sarcasm :lol: If you really don't know how they work go do some research :wink:

It wasn't sarcasm, i have only seen screenshots.
Author:  toots [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
grandad wrote:
toots wrote:
Grandad wrote:
You forget that us country bumpkins don't know exactly how apps work. We just know what we have seen


There's no need for sarcasm :lol: If you really don't know how they work go do some research :wink:

It wasn't sarcasm, i have only seen screenshots.


Oh dear, well they can basically inform the customer of anything the person providing the App wishes the customer to know. So in the case of vehicles from outside areas it can simply be added to the info that states the make, model, colour and registration of the vehicle, simples :D
Author:  rayggb [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
It's all a big mess and the LA's know that their powers have been emasculated.they have absolutely no powers over out of town scrum,sorry I mean hacks
Author:  captain cab [ Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New rules for Derby cabbies after judge's guideline
rayggb wrote:
It's all a big mess and the LA's know that their powers have been emasculated.they have absolutely no powers over out of town scrum,sorry I mean hacks

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