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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:15 pm 
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Angry Barrow families protest against minibus charges for nurseries



A POPULAR Barrow nursery has had to cancel its free bus service for children in the face of a demand to pay more than £1,000 to the council.

Cheeky Monkeys on Abbots Vale in Barrow provides an after-school club and a breakfast club for children whose parents work long hours.

To help as much as possible, the staff at Cheeky Monkeys use a minibus to transport the children.

Nursery owner Kerry Griffin was shocked to receive a letter from Barrow Borough Council saying she must register the free bus as a private hire vehicle as it is an “integral part of the business”.

Mrs Griffin said: “They want us to pay all these fees, which add up to £1,300 a year, just because we offer a free service to help children.

“We can only take up to eight children, how are we meant to make £1,300 from that?

“It’s supposed to be Love Barrow and I don’t think the council are showing their love by doing this.”

The parents who use the breakfast club and after-school club are upset that the nursery has been forced to cancel the service.

Linda North has a 10-year-old girl, Charlie, who uses the Cheeky Monkeys after-school club. Charlie has written a letter to the council expressing how upset she is.

Mrs North said: “It just seems wrong. It’s not like the girls are making a fortune, the bus is free.”

Happy Tots in Barrow also received the letter. Matthew Pilkington, the business manager, said: “It’s going to end up costing a fortune and we are then going to have to cost it to the parents. They want us to register our four minibuses as private hire vehicles but we don’t advertise as private hire, we would never offer such a service.”

Both nurseries are in the process of beginning a petition. MP John Woodcock has backed their cause and has written to the council.

He said: “Department of Transport guidance notes advise licensing authorities to think carefully about the burden which would be placed on people and organisations which fall into grey areas – and it seems that Cheeky Monkeys does come into that category.

“The nursery is an important asset for families in the Abbots Vale area of town and it supports a number of jobs, so I hope the council will be able to reconsider its position.”

Councillor Tony Callister, spokesman for licensing matters said: “After considering the matter and taking legal advice, the council is satisfied that this service is deemed ‘private hire’, therefore vehicles, drivers and nurseries will need to be licenced by the council.

“This will ensure that high standards of vehicle safety and driver accreditation are applied. All nurseries providing this service have been advised that they will need to obtain the appropriate licences.”

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:19 am 
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Meanwhile in Barrow

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:39 pm 
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And what's up with Barra like eh?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:42 pm 
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And what's up with Barra like eh?


Nowt, nowt at all.....

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:44 pm 
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i have always said that we should have stuck with Lancashire instead of going with them bloody Cumbrians.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:55 pm 
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i have always said that we should have stuck with Lancashire instead of going with them bloody Cumbrians.


always a problem in a cul de sac :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:02 pm 
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We may be at the end of the world but it's a nice bit, and we don't have to go over that snowy Shap to get home from the South. It was bad over there today when I had the misfortune to visit Carlisle. A strange place for such a small city nobody can decide which accent to use it seems to vary from street to street.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:06 pm 
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We may be at the end of the world but it's a nice bit, and we don't have to go over that snowy Shap to get home from the South. It was bad over there today when I had the misfortune to visit Carlisle. A strange place for such a small city nobody can decide which accent to use it seems to vary from street to street.


Its tourists - I think they're a source of food in Barrow :lol:

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Tourists no remember we don't get them, too far down the cul de sac. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Furness- ... 7961455323 http://taxistorys.blogspot.co.uk/


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Tourists no remember we don't get them, too far down the cul de sac. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Furness- ... 7961455323 http://taxistorys.blogspot.co.uk/


I've read and enjoyed your blog before :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:11 am 
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A POPULAR Barrow nursery has had to cancel its free bus service for children in the face of a demand to pay more than £1,000 to the council.

Cheeky Monkeys on Abbots Vale in Barrow provides an after-school club and a breakfast club for children whose parents work long hours.

To help as much as possible, the staff at Cheeky Monkeys use a minibus to transport the children.

Nursery owner Kerry Griffin was shocked to receive a letter from Barrow Borough Council saying she must register the free bus as a private hire vehicle as it is an “integral part of the business”.

Mrs Griffin said: “They want us to pay all these fees, which add up to £1,300 a year, just because we offer a free service to help children.

“We can only take up to eight children, how are we meant to make £1,300 from that?

“It’s supposed to be Love Barrow and I don’t think the council are showing their love by doing this.”

The parents who use the breakfast club and after-school club are upset that the nursery has been forced to cancel the service.

Linda North has a 10-year-old girl, Charlie, who uses the Cheeky Monkeys after-school club. Charlie has written a letter to the council expressing how upset she is.

Mrs North said: “It just seems wrong. It’s not like the girls are making a fortune, the bus is free.”

Happy Tots in Barrow also received the letter. Matthew Pilkington, the business manager, said: “It’s going to end up costing a fortune and we are then going to have to cost it to the parents. They want us to register our four minibuses as private hire vehicles but we don’t advertise as private hire, we would never offer such a service.”

Both nurseries are in the process of beginning a petition. MP John Woodcock has backed their cause and has written to the council.

He said: “Department of Transport guidance notes advise licensing authorities to think carefully about the burden which would be placed on people and organisations which fall into grey areas – and it seems that Cheeky Monkeys does come into that category.

“The nursery is an important asset for families in the Abbots Vale area of town and it supports a number of jobs, so I hope the council will be able to reconsider its position.”

Councillor Tony Callister, spokesman for licensing matters said: “After considering the matter and taking legal advice, the council is satisfied that this service is deemed ‘private hire’, therefore vehicles, drivers and nurseries will need to be licenced by the council.

“This will ensure that high standards of vehicle safety and driver accreditation are applied. All nurseries providing this service have been advised that they will need to obtain the appropriate licences.”

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/angry-bar ... -1.1188955

So if a nursery opens up next door using unchecked and unqualified staff, Mrs Griffin wont have a problem with that then?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:37 pm 
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Barrow nursery launches fundraising campaign to pay for bus trips


A NURSERY which has been hit with a £1,300 bill to run what used to be a free bus service is kick-starting a fundraising drive to cover the costs.

Cheeky Monkeys, in Barrow, provided a free bus to transport children to its breakfast and after-school clubs. It was also used to take the children on educational and fun visits.

However, the nursery, in Abbots Vale, has been told by Barrow Borough Council that it must register the bus as a private hire vehicle.

The council notified all nurseries and said it was a measure to ensure “high standards of vehicle safety and driver accreditation are applied”.

Cheeky Monkeys had campaigned against the introduction of the fee, as there was no way it could reasonably charge parents the type of money needed to cover the costs.

But it has been unsuccessful in altering the decision. In order to get the bus in use as soon as possible – hopefully by Easter – the nursery is starting a fundraising drive.

Since the bus had to stop, manger Kerry Griffin said children had got “drenched” walking to school in the rain, and their learning experiences had been affected.

She said: “The council is following guidance from the government, so it’s them that we need to tell that the guidance should be more clear, or changed.

“But in the meantime, we’re doing fundraisers to raise money to get through the first year, and we will assess it from there.

“We still don’t agree with what the council are saying, but what can we do? Schools don’t fall under it, childminders don’t fall under it, but nurseries do.

“It’s having a big impact on the children at the nursery. We are not able to get out to places anymore.

“We used to take them to Crooklands at Dalton; last year we went as far as Kendal and met the author of the Postman Pat books.

“This year, it’s only places we can walk to, which really limits us.”

On March 28, Cheeky Monkeys will host a family open day between 11am until 1am. All are welcome.

On March 19, families connected to the nursery are invited to a sponsored bunny hop at Cheeky Monkeys, with one event at 10.30am and another at 2pm.

http://www.nwemail.co.uk/news/barrow-nu ... -1.1196938

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:21 pm 
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Nurseries win victory over vehicle licence rules

Nurseries in Barrow-in-Furness have won their fight against council plans to make them take out private hire licences for vehicles they use for pick-ups and drops off.

In May, Nursery World reported that Barrow Borough Council in Cumbria was requiring private nurseries in the area to take our private hire licences for vehicles with eight or fewer seats to transport children. Staff were also required to hold private hire drivers licences.

The move would have cost the two nurseries affected, Happy Kids Day Nursery and Cheeky Monkeys Childcare, thousands of pounds a year.

However, the council has now made a u-turn, saying that childcare businesses do not fall into the private hire licensing regime.

It follows months of campaigning by the nurseries and Colin Rudd, a parent whose son attends Cheeky Monkeys Childcare.

A letter sent to the nurseries from Jen Curtis, senior licensing officer at the council, states, ‘Following further legal advice and investigations, it has been decided that the businesses you are representing, do not fall into the private hire licensing regime. Therefore they are not required to be licensed as private hire operators, the vehicles they operate do not need to be licensed private hire vehicles and the drivers do not need a private hire drivers licence.

‘The Department of Transport guidance sets out key principles and characteristics, which the department considers to define a private hire vehicle. Although clear exemptions are made for childminders, businesses such as private nurseries fall into a grey area. The guidance offers a view on whether the services failing within this grey area should require licences and is designed to assist licensing authorities’ considerations where the decision is not clear-cut.

It adds, ‘The Licensing Authority is satisfied that the carrying of passengers is an ancillary part of the main service provided by the nurseries, the drivers of the vehicles have been vetted for wider works and have specific qualifications or training which go beyond driving and general customer care. This is on the basis that only qualified nursery staff drive the vehicles whilst transporting children to/from the setting, should this change in the future and the nurseries outsource the service or drivers they must notify Barrow Borough Council immediately.'

The letter also says that any fees the nurseries have already paid to the council will be refunded.

Kerry Griffin, owner of Cheeky Monkeys Childcare said that while they were delighted about the council’s u-turn, the nursery has lost business because they stopped using their vehicle.

Matthew Pilkington, Happy Tots Day Nursery’s business manager, said, ‘We are over the moon at this decision given the time and costs that have been involved.

‘Thanks to this outcome, we can spend the money we would have had to use for PHV licensing on facilities and equipment for the children in our care.’

Claire Schofield, director of membership, policy and communications at National Day Nurseries Association, said, ‘NDNA has long campaigned for its members to be treated fairly and sensibly by local authorities with regards to fees and licences.

‘Nurseries are mostly run as small businesses which can find it hard to balance the books and even small charges can make a difference.

‘We are pleased that Barrow Borough Council has looked into this issue after it was flagged up by Nursery World and will adopt a common sense approach towards nurseries driving children in private vehicles which includes paying back those who have bought licences and no longer need them.’

source: http://www.nurseryworld.co.uk/nursery-w ... ence-rules

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:32 pm 
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It adds, ‘The Licensing Authority is satisfied that the carrying of passengers is an ancillary part of the main service provided by the nurseries, the drivers of the vehicles have been vetted for wider works and have specific qualifications or training which go beyond driving and general customer care. This is on the basis that only qualified nursery staff drive the vehicles whilst transporting children to/from the setting, should this change in the future and the nurseries outsource the service or drivers they must notify Barrow Borough Council immediately.'


So what would be the position if the driver is not a qualified nursery person? It is one thing to notify the Council but what difference will that make?

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It adds, ‘The Licensing Authority is satisfied that the carrying of passengers is an ancillary part of the main service provided by the nurseries, the drivers of the vehicles have been vetted for wider works and have specific qualifications or training which go beyond driving and general customer care. This is on the basis that only qualified nursery staff drive the vehicles whilst transporting children to/from the setting, should this change in the future and the nurseries outsource the service or drivers they must notify Barrow Borough Council immediately.'



So what would be the position if the driver is not a qualified nursery person? It is one thing to notify the Council but what difference will that make?


i think what theyre saying is YES,we got it wrong,but not TOTALLY wrong so were going to add this wee proviso to try and safe one of our faces
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