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Quote:Every driver said they felt they needed better representation, a system that could perhaps give drivers more of a say on how and when to reduce fares. One man, Napoleon, said some drivers could do with support when they feel they have got unfair ratings or other issues that affect their ability to pick up jobs.
And every driver said that as Uber was getting more popular, it was getting harder and harder to earn a living.
"It used to be 10 hours a day," said Nang, from Myanmar, who started Uber driving just over two years ago when she was studying.
"Now I have to work 16 or 17 hours. It's exhausting. I'm thinking of quitting next year. I'm working crazy - seven days.
"They are hiring so many people. I don't know where to go. I was in downtown for one hour and I didn't get a customer. Sometimes [at the airport] I wait two hours." End of Quote:

Great Post

Be warned those who sign up and promote Gett and Uber, there really is no limit to how low in fares they will go, there is also no limit to how high in driver numbers they will go either.

Yes Flower, they are attacking our trade from all sides :wink:

Flower you are failing to see the game both Gett and Uber are playing, both will sign up an unlimited number of drivers and both are going to drive prices low, it's already happening.

Our trade doesn't need this, our trade will be affected if we let them grow, it's still in our hands, just delete the App, punters will still be there and will still be willing to pay the going rate, now why on earth is it good for the trade to give in to the high discount extreme capitalist's like Gett and Uber?

Nice one to you both, I am a black cab driver, I will not rank beside PHC, I am totally against Uber and what it stands for.
I am totally in favor of Edinburgh being one black cab company.

As for your political stance Reggie it goes with the flag you are flying.
As for the other remark on migrants, I really do not have one I will fight for my business and it will be in my Black cab.

Flower you keep mentioning you are in favour of 1 black cab company in Edinburgh, you have to go back and ask yourself why we had the vote previously :shock:

The main reason was the threat from the new kids on the block ECPH and their high discount strategy, I was and did vote in favour of a merger but it didn't happen, the vote was no to a merger.

The threat from the private hire died as they couldn't compete with the reliability and service our black cab trade provides, their life line came from the airport who wanted them alongside black cabs to give the customer a choice, right or wrong it doesn't matter, it's what the airport wanted.

We have and are currently seeing off the discounter's but you as a black cabbie promote a company that uses heavy discounts to attract custom, they may pay the driver the going rate at the moment but that won't last, your type flower are selling our trade short, we don't have to, like before we just have to stand firmly together and they will be gone in no time.

You keep flying your flag Reggie

I will look after my business and believe in the real world.

Thank you for your advice.

In 5 years time well see if you are right. You voted yes to the merger so we agree on that point.

Do not compare Gett with Uber Reggie 9000 black cab drivers use Gett in London at least they are doing something constructive down there.

9000 black cab drivers falling for the discount on jobs over 6 miles Flower, up next jobs under 6 miles, watch this space when they start moaning on here :wink:

They are already doing it Flower, £5 a fare and aw that, when their capitalist buddies uber come on board Flower then that's all you'll get, no full fare or 75p a minute, once these boys get you as they have in London your screwed, don't say I didn't warn you :wink:

Private Reggie wrote:

Reggie you do not know what you are talking about, as skull would say you are talking crap.
Gett your calculator out and work it out 75p a min = £45 an hour ....there is nothing more to be said about that.
As for London's new promo of up 30% discount on off peak journeys, the difference is Reggie if the driver does not like it he does not do it and if enough drivers knock back the work Gett have to go back to drawing board.
Gett do listen to there self employed drivers

Can you do this Reggie with your self employed business, or does your service partner dictate to you

I have worked both sides Reggie you have not, and I know which side my breads buttered, as for the future?? its up to the taxi driver.
Does he carry on Centrals cut price war and big radio fees
City forcing its members to rank alongside PHC plus pay the price to pick up at the airport.

I Gett up every morning Reggie and my first 3 hours or more are planned out with my future jobs and I pay less than Central and City for this privilege.
It is a black cab app Reggie and they do look after you more than City or Central.

I hope Gett is successful because if they are not Uber will swamp this City and you will be in a worse state.

Reggie I see retirement on the horizon so the future is in your hands haha.

Author:	DocG [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:08 am ]
Post subject:	Uber USA - coming to a town near you!
Will Uber drivers turn on Uber? This week a judge decided that a legal case involving ex-Uber drivers could become a joint action - which simply means lots of people who have the same grievance can get together in and sue at once. The disagreement is over how Uber's drivers are hired by the company. Uber considers them contractors: they work when they want, for as long as they want. Drivers must pay for their cars, fuel, maintenance - everything. The alternative - and the one successfully argued in the case - is that Uber drivers should actually be employees. This could mean a heap of benefits: cars provided, holiday pay, perhaps even health insurance. On the face of it, that sounds like a better deal for drivers. But is it what they want? Sit and Wait Just down the road from San Francisco's international airport is what can only be described as a holding pen for Uber drivers. When I visited this week, the car park - which can hold more than 100 cars - was so full they had to close the road leading up to it. Drivers were livid. They're not allowed to wait anywhere else. They certainly can't sit in the taxi rank or they'll get a fine - the driver pays, of course, not Uber. Those lucky (!) enough to be in the holding pen were in a long queue. Each time a request was made, a car was dispatched. Some had been there for over an hour, they said, with a suspicion that the queue system was broken. Uber driving is very much a solo pursuit. Unlike cabbies, who have ranks around towns and cities, Uber drivers are normally found cruising around for the next fare. So the holding pen is one of the few places they get to socialise with each other. Clock in, clock out Uber's defence in the employee/contractor debate is that its workforce is pretty diverse. Some want to work part-time, others full-time. Some want to work intensely for a few weeks, then take a few weeks off. It's on their own terms, and Uber says only a contractor set-up makes this possible. And the vast majority of drivers I spoke to agreed. Passionately. "If we were employees we'd have to have a boss," said Kirk, a full-time Uber driver for over a year. "We'd have to clock in, clock out for breaks. It's not a viable solution for what we do. "You essentially run a small business, but without the overhead of a brick-and-mortar business." Image copyright AP Image caption Many people are proud to be Uber drivers - these are pictured in New York Overhearing our conversation was Nate, who has been a Uber driver for two months, as is his wife, who drove off as I was arriving to go and pick up a passenger. The hours go far more quickly when you're calling your own shots, Nate said. Driver power There's more than one exception to the positivity, though, and it's the drivers who've had more than two years on the job who are more keen on the idea of being an employee. One man - who didn't want to be named as even his family are unaware of his worry - told me that he feels trapped in Uber, caught in a spiral he's not sure how to control. Like many drivers, he took up Uber's offer of a loan to get a new car. That was in October last year, and it already has 80,000 miles on the clock. The money for the car is deducted automatically from his earnings each week. It's about $1,000 (£655) a month. It's crippling him - so he works more hours, over 12 a day, putting even more strain on the car. "I would prefer to be an employee with pay and benefits," he said. "And they could help me look after the car." The financing plan runs for five years - and he's sure the car won't last that long. New tyres every four months. A new set of brakes. It's all going on credit, and he's running out of options. "And then Uber drops its rates." The company has been the subject of many protests, from both its own drivers and other taxi drivers Recently, Uber offered a special deal for trips that went to the East Bay - the stretch of land east of San Francisco, over the water, that includes major cities such as Oakland and Berkeley. For a limited time, rides to this area were 25% off. It enraged many drivers for whom a trip from the airport to Berkeley (and perhaps back again) is ordinarily a terrific earner - the difference between an average day and a great one. 'Working crazy' Every driver said they felt they needed better representation, a system that could perhaps give drivers more of a say on how and when to reduce fares. One man, Napoleon, said some drivers could do with support when they feel they have got unfair ratings or other issues that affect their ability to pick up jobs. And every driver said that as Uber was getting more popular, it was getting harder and harder to earn a living. "It used to be 10 hours a day," said Nang, from Myanmar, who started Uber driving just over two years ago when she was studying. "Now I have to work 16 or 17 hours. It's exhausting. I'm thinking of quitting next year. I'm working crazy - seven days. "They are hiring so many people. I don't know where to go. I was in downtown for one hour and I didn't get a customer. Sometimes [at the airport] I wait two hours." Uber's rapid growth • Company founded in 2009 by Travis Kalanick and Garrett Camp • App and services launched in San Francisco before extending to other US cities in 2011 • Began to expand overseas in 2012 • Now operates in hundreds of cities in 60 countries • But it has also faced protests and legal action by taxi drivers around the world, and faces bans or crackdowns by regulators in Asia, Europe and the US Nobody I spoke to said they were considering getting involved in the lawsuit. Most wouldn't be eligible - Uber thinks only about 15,000 of its 160,000 drivers could qualify - but even if they were, there's little suggestion that many would follow it up. Being independent for the overwhelming majority of Uber drivers in that blustery car park was what made them sign up in the first place. But the pressures of covering all the costs, while prices for rides get lower and lower, and more and more Uber cars compete for jobs - it's keeping some drivers awake at night. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34150643

Author:	Private Reggie [ Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Uber USA - coming to a town near you!
Quote:Every driver said they felt they needed better representation, a system that could perhaps give drivers more of a say on how and when to reduce fares. One man, Napoleon, said some drivers could do with support when they feel they have got unfair ratings or other issues that affect their ability to pick up jobs. And every driver said that as Uber was getting more popular, it was getting harder and harder to earn a living. "It used to be 10 hours a day," said Nang, from Myanmar, who started Uber driving just over two years ago when she was studying. "Now I have to work 16 or 17 hours. It's exhausting. I'm thinking of quitting next year. I'm working crazy - seven days. "They are hiring so many people. I don't know where to go. I was in downtown for one hour and I didn't get a customer. Sometimes [at the airport] I wait two hours." End of Quote: Great Post Be warned those who sign up and promote Gett and Uber, there really is no limit to how low in fares they will go, there is also no limit to how high in driver numbers they will go either.

Author:	flower [ Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:59 pm ]
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Private Reggie wrote: Quote:Every driver said they felt they needed better representation, a system that could perhaps give drivers more of a say on how and when to reduce fares. One man, Napoleon, said some drivers could do with support when they feel they have got unfair ratings or other issues that affect their ability to pick up jobs. And every driver said that as Uber was getting more popular, it was getting harder and harder to earn a living. "It used to be 10 hours a day," said Nang, from Myanmar, who started Uber driving just over two years ago when she was studying. "Now I have to work 16 or 17 hours. It's exhausting. I'm thinking of quitting next year. I'm working crazy - seven days. "They are hiring so many people. I don't know where to go. I was in downtown for one hour and I didn't get a customer. Sometimes [at the airport] I wait two hours." End of Quote: Great Post Be warned those who sign up and promote Gett and Uber, there really is no limit to how low in fares they will go, there is also no limit to how high in driver numbers they will go either. Reggie dear Uber and Gett are poles apart, but keep the record going

Author:	Private Reggie [ Sun Sep 06, 2015 8:32 pm ]
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Yes Flower, they are attacking our trade from all sides

Author:	flower [ Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:20 am ]
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Private Reggie wrote: Yes Flower, they are attacking our trade from all sides Reggie you are a taxi driver like me and competition is a good thing for our business and Gett is totally devoted to the black cabs and licensed taxi drivers. So you and I have a choice as self employed taxi drivers to choose. Not every taxi driver wants to gamble 6k to be a member of a company.My taxi is my business, how we operate whether we use a business provider our not is up to the individual. I do not see Gett as a threat but a breath of fresh air into the city and if they are successful it is only good for the trade and if they fail its business as usual with 3 choices. I will be honest with you here Reggie I have worked every angle of the black cab trade in Edinburgh and the street is your main player. City and Central are busy but have there regulations for being a member and a fee for joining, Comcab have regulations and so does Gett but no joining fee. Gett is very busy and drivers are slowly trying them out, for some it is okay others not, but they have nothing to loose. I remember Comcabs coming to town with there modern system, both City and Central had to change to survive, the taxi driver had a choice again. City and Central changed to compete and are stronger now so here's the next challenge, it is only good news for the taxi driver Reggie. Uber is PHC and totally illegal, even if they start working Edinburgh under specific regulations IE meter operated. The customer entering and leaving the Uber car fare will be calculated by GPS tracking which means they will not know there fare until the car is long gone. Which means if they have been surged priced just grin and bear it. The rest of the news about them is common sense, they are not regulated so the more cars the better for business common knowledge with PHC.

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Author:	edders23 [ Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:32 am ]
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So what you are saying flower is that if a 747 loaded with people who can barely speak English lands at Edinburgh airport and they all go to the council on Monday morning get a licencse and start driving for uber that is good for the trade ? I don't think so every man woman and child entering the uk are after 1 thing and that is to take the work off existing Britains because in their eyes we have more than them A few years ago an immigrant taxi driver was moaning to a local driver about how quiet it was and how he wasn't taking enough the driver said "why do you come then ?" the reply "I come here to take the food out of your mouth"

Author:	Private Reggie [ Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:25 am ]
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Flower you are failing to see the game both Gett and Uber are playing, both will sign up an unlimited number of drivers and both are going to drive prices low, it's already happening. Our trade doesn't need this, our trade will be affected if we let them grow, it's still in our hands, just delete the App, punters will still be there and will still be willing to pay the going rate, now why on earth is it good for the trade to give in to the high discount extreme capitalist's like Gett and Uber?

Author:	flower [ Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:15 pm ]
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Private Reggie wrote: Flower you are failing to see the game both Gett and Uber are playing, both will sign up an unlimited number of drivers and both are going to drive prices low, it's already happening. Our trade doesn't need this, our trade will be affected if we let them grow, it's still in our hands, just delete the App, punters will still be there and will still be willing to pay the going rate, now why on earth is it good for the trade to give in to the high discount extreme capitalist's like Gett and Uber? Nice one to you both, I am a black cab driver, I will not rank beside PHC, I am totally against Uber and what it stands for. I am totally in favor of Edinburgh being one black cab company. As for your political stance Reggie it goes with the flag you are flying. As for the other remark on migrants, I really do not have one I will fight for my business and it will be in my Black cab.

Author:	Private Reggie [ Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:15 pm ]
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Flower you keep mentioning you are in favour of 1 black cab company in Edinburgh, you have to go back and ask yourself why we had the vote previously The main reason was the threat from the new kids on the block ECPH and their high discount strategy, I was and did vote in favour of a merger but it didn't happen, the vote was no to a merger. The threat from the private hire died as they couldn't compete with the reliability and service our black cab trade provides, their life line came from the airport who wanted them alongside black cabs to give the customer a choice, right or wrong it doesn't matter, it's what the airport wanted. We have and are currently seeing off the discounter's but you as a black cabbie promote a company that uses heavy discounts to attract custom, they may pay the driver the going rate at the moment but that won't last, your type flower are selling our trade short, we don't have to, like before we just have to stand firmly together and they will be gone in no time.

Author:	flower [ Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:47 pm ]
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Private Reggie wrote: Flower you keep mentioning you are in favour of 1 black cab company in Edinburgh, you have to go back and ask yourself why we had the vote previously The main reason was the threat from the new kids on the block ECPH and their high discount strategy, I was and did vote in favour of a merger but it didn't happen, the vote was no to a merger. The threat from the private hire died as they couldn't compete with the reliability and service our black cab trade provides, their life line came from the airport who wanted them alongside black cabs to give the customer a choice, right or wrong it doesn't matter, it's what the airport wanted. We have and are currently seeing off the discounter's but you as a black cabbie promote a company that uses heavy discounts to attract custom, they may pay the driver the going rate at the moment but that won't last, your type flower are selling our trade short, we don't have to, like before we just have to stand firmly together and they will be gone in no time. You keep flying your flag Reggie I will look after my business and believe in the real world. Thank you for your advice. In 5 years time well see if you are right. You voted yes to the merger so we agree on that point. Do not compare Gett with Uber Reggie 9000 black cab drivers use Gett in London at least they are doing something constructive down there.

Author:	flower [ Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:03 pm ]
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Private Reggie wrote: 9000 black cab drivers falling for the discount on jobs over 6 miles Flower, up next jobs under 6 miles, watch this space when they start moaning on here You will be waiting a long time

Author:	Private Reggie [ Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:49 pm ]
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They are already doing it Flower, £5 a fare and aw that, when their capitalist buddies uber come on board Flower then that's all you'll get, no full fare or 75p a minute, once these boys get you as they have in London your screwed, don't say I didn't warn you

Author:	flower [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:18 am ]
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Private Reggie wrote: They are already doing it Flower, £5 a fare and aw that, when their capitalist buddies uber come on board Flower then that's all you'll get, no full fare or 75p a minute, once these boys get you as they have in London your screwed, don't say I didn't warn you Reggie you do not know what you are talking about, as skull would say you are talking crap. Gett your calculator out and work it out 75p a min = £45 an hour ....there is nothing more to be said about that. As for London's new promo of up 30% discount on off peak journeys, the difference is Reggie if the driver does not like it he does not do it and if enough drivers knock back the work Gett have to go back to drawing board. Gett do listen to there self employed drivers Can you do this Reggie with your self employed business, or does your service partner dictate to you I have worked both sides Reggie you have not, and I know which side my breads buttered, as for the future?? its up to the taxi driver. Does he carry on Centrals cut price war and big radio fees City forcing its members to rank alongside PHC plus pay the price to pick up at the airport. I Gett up every morning Reggie and my first 3 hours or more are planned out with my future jobs and I pay less than Central and City for this privilege. It is a black cab app Reggie and they do look after you more than City or Central. I hope Gett is successful because if they are not Uber will swamp this City and you will be in a worse state. Reggie I see retirement on the horizon so the future is in your hands haha.

Author:	jimbo [ Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:02 pm ]
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flower wrote: Private Reggie wrote: They are already doing it Flower, £5 a fare and aw that, when their capitalist buddies uber come on board Flower then that's all you'll get, no full fare or 75p a minute, once these boys get you as they have in London your screwed, don't say I didn't warn you Reggie you do not know what you are talking about, as skull would say you are talking crap. Gett your calculator out and work it out 75p a min = £45 an hour ....there is nothing more to be said about that. As for London's new promo of up 30% discount on off peak journeys, the difference is Reggie if the driver does not like it he does not do it and if enough drivers knock back the work Gett have to go back to drawing board. Gett do listen to there self employed drivers Can you do this Reggie with your self employed business, or does your service partner dictate to you I have worked both sides Reggie you have not, and I know which side my breads buttered, as for the future?? its up to the taxi driver. Does he carry on Centrals cut price war and big radio fees City forcing its members to rank alongside PHC plus pay the price to pick up at the airport. I Gett up every morning Reggie and my first 3 hours or more are planned out with my future jobs and I pay less than Central and City for this privilege. It is a black cab app Reggie and they do look after you more than City or Central. I hope Gett is successful because if they are not Uber will swamp this City and you will be in a worse state. Reggie I see retirement on the horizon so the future is in your hands haha. If you really want people to read your posts, quit it with the bright blue print.

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