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Lib-Dems to fight Mayor’s Uber curbs

Lib-Dems are set to challenge key parts of Boris Johnson’s plan to rein in Uber.

The party will vote on a motion to oppose measures which include banning the minicab-hailing firm from showing the location of available cars in its app and making private-hire customers wait five minutes between booking a car and setting off.

Caroline Pidgeon, the Lib-Dem candidate for mayor, said: “It makes no sense to make a passenger wait to get a cab if they can see the cab waiting for them there.”

The Mayor has said the measures, currently subject to consultation, are needed to ensure private-hire cabs operate legally. Uber has said the plans make “no sense at all

source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transpor ... 11966.html

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London Lib Dems to debate private hire regulations – how they should get it right

By Daniel Carr

Upon moving to London my first ‘culture-shock’ moment – so much as an Aussie can have them – was discovering that many black cabs only take cash payment. In 2015 it is hard to imagine another industry where a regulator must step in to ensure more than half of all operators provide a facility as basic as card payment.

This matters, as this weekend our London conference will debate a motion on Transport for London’s (TfL) recently released proposals to regulate the private hire car market. While many of the proposals are sound, several will sabotage successful business models and reduce competition, further breeding the kind of apathy to consumer preferences that sees many black cab drivers refuse card payment.

There are three proposals Liberal Democrats should be most concerned with. The first, a mandatory waiting period between requesting a private hire vehicle and pick-up, is hard to square with any consumer interest rationale. TfL is proposing a mandatory 5 minute wait, about 1.5 minutes more than the average time it takes for an Uber driver to arrive. Apparently this would reduce the risk of a customer getting into the wrong vehicle, a problem TfL provides no evidence to suggest actually exists. Even if it does, it appears not to have been weighed against the risk of extending the time in which people may have to wait alone on a street corner late at night.

Taken together with another proposal to ban the in-app visualisation of hire vehicles, the impact on ride-sharing services will be severe. As Uber’s popularity among customers revolves around the app’s visualisation function, low fares and short wait-times, killing two of these off smells suspiciously like an attempt to cripple a black cab rival.

The most concerning is the proposal to lock drivers into working for just one licensed operator at a time. It seems innocuous enough, but looking forward this risks significantly decreasing the take-home income of drivers who work for ride-sharing platforms. Why? If you use Lyft or Uber in the US you will notice most drivers have a dashboard of smartphones on the go. This enables them to play-off operators like Uber, Lyft and SideCar, accepting rides from whoever is offering the highest rate.

Locking drivers into working for one operator will also risk entrenching the position of today’s largest operators. New entrants, who usually begin with a small customer base, will find it hard to entice drivers to jump platforms if rides are likely to be less frequent. Back in Australia, fears Uber might unilaterally lock drivers to their platform prompted Uber Vice-President David Plouffe to insist his company would not go down this road. That TfL is considering a proposal that risks decreasing driver pay and cementing Uber’s dominance of the London ride-sharing market is troubling.

So what principles should inform the Liberal Democrat stance on the private hire market? As the motion suggests, we should back robust regulation on customer safety, payment of due taxes and the provision of disability compatible services. However, we also need to recognise that regulations which inhibit competition do a disservice to both customers and drivers. Other cities are already seeing a more vibrant ecosystem of operators emerge by following these principles.

In New York two women concerned with the safety of both ride-sharing services and traditional cabs founded SheRides, an app-run cab service that matches female drivers exclusively to female passengers. It has proved a big hit, with like services popping up around the world.

In Denver over 600 drivers organised to form ‘Green Taxi’, co-operatively owned ride-sharing service that a union helped get off the ground. In addition to giving drivers a say over their business, it has saved them thousands in license costs, car outfitting and income lost to operator margins. It’s not the first of its kind either.

I want to see bold new ideas like SheRides and Green Taxi take-off in London, but for this to happen we need to regulate without locking in the status quo. The motion to be put to the London Regional Conference gives us the opportunity to put Londoners first with safe and convenient transport, while keeping the sector open to innovation, competition and new ideas.

* Daniel Carr is a London based secondary school teacher

source: http://www.libdemvoice.org/london-lib-d ... 48206.html

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There seems to be a lot of mentioning of ride sharing in that report. Does UBER do ride sharing at the moment? Is ride sharing even legal under private hire rules? I was under the impression that if I book a car then that car is mine to use exclusively unless I agree to let someone else share the ride. Is that one of the conditions of using UBER, you have to agree to share the car?

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There seems to be a lot of mentioning of ride sharing in that report. Does UBER do ride sharing at the moment? Is ride sharing even legal under private hire rules? I was under the impression that if I book a car then that car is mine to use exclusively unless I agree to let someone else share the ride. Is that one of the conditions of using UBER, you have to agree to share the car?


I'm not sure, I thought the ride sharing bit of uber was called uberx

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No - screwber X is the bottom of the range mini cab service.

It's screwber pool that's the ride sharing service that's been banned in many many places, also screwber now charge a 25% fee for there drivers.


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187ums wrote:
No - screwber X is the bottom of the range mini cab service.

It's screwber pool that's the ride sharing service that's been banned in many many places, also screwber now charge a 25% fee for there drivers.



I think thats 25% for new drivers as mentioned in a post on here last week it's still excessive though

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edders23 wrote:
187ums wrote:
No - screwber X is the bottom of the range mini cab service.

It's screwber pool that's the ride sharing service that's been banned in many many places, also screwber now charge a 25% fee for there drivers.



I think thats 25% for new drivers as mentioned in a post on here last week it's still excessive though

What %age do your drivers pay?

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grandad wrote:
edders23 wrote:
187ums wrote:
No - screwber X is the bottom of the range mini cab service.

It's screwber pool that's the ride sharing service that's been banned in many many places, also screwber now charge a 25% fee for there drivers.



I think thats 25% for new drivers as mentioned in a post on here last week it's still excessive though

What %age do your drivers pay?



They don't they either own their cars or rent them at a reasonable rent I have never done split purse it is not genuine self employment. uber don't provide the cars or pay for the insurance or fuel so they are taking 25% commission for handling the transaction

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They don't they either own their cars or rent them at a reasonable rent I have never done split purse it is not genuine self employment. uber don't provide the cars or pay for the insurance or fuel so they are taking 25% commission for handling the transaction

They get the work for free.

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They don't they either own their cars or rent them at a reasonable rent I have never done split purse it is not genuine self employment. uber don't provide the cars or pay for the insurance or fuel so they are taking 25% commission for handling the transaction

They get the work for free.



But they will have to fees to the credit card companies and the app must cost something to run so I doubt its completely free

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