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Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
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Author:  captain cab [ Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery

Magistrates have dismissed a taxi driver’s appeal claiming that the Guildford Borough Council’s taxi livery policy amounted to a condition and should be removed from his licence.

At the appeal, held at Redhill Magistrates Court on 5 July, Magistrates found that the reasons for imposing the livery were sound and reasonable, and there was no reason to remove the condition. They also awarded the majority of the council’s costs in defending the appeal, to the amount of £4,500.

Cllr Graham Ellwood, Lead Councillor for Licensing and Community Safety, said: “This case was not a challenge to our overall livery policy and its requirements remain in place for all taxi drivers in our borough. However, I am delighted with the outcome, as the Magistrates have agreed that the reasons for the livery, such as protecting public safety, are sound and reasonable.

“We are now keen to move on from dealing with challenges to the policy and continue with implementing its measures such as the livery and a professional BTEC qualification for all drivers to raise standards and protect the travelling public. I am now looking forward to a liveried fleet of Guildford taxis in the near future.

“I would like to remind drivers that the council will only contribute towards the cost of livery until the 9 July, so drivers should not delay in booking their vehicle in to be liveried.

“We are very keen to engage in discussing practical issues around implementing the policy and I would encourage all members of the taxi and private hire trade to come along to the next Taxi Advisory Group meeting on 20 July at 7pm.”

Mark Rostron speaking on behalf of the Guildford Hackney Association said: “It’s a very disappointing result from the magistrates. They apparently believe that it was necessary for the security of the travelling public that Guildford taxis have to be teal green, and that no other solution would be reasonable.

“Obviously Guildford Hackney Association continue to disagree and we are awaiting the barristers report before we decide on whether to appeal the decision in the Crown Court.

“Additionally, Guildford Borough Council hired a Queen’s Counsel barrister at tremendous cost and persuaded the magistrates that they should charge the taxi driver £6,000 in costs, even though the Magistrates Association and the Justices’ Clerks Society have advised that awarding costs for a licensing appeal should be an exception, not a rule, and that any resident with reasonable grounds for appeal should not be penalised.

“I hope the Guildford public take note of this behavior by the council who seek to enforce a licence livery condition that was not asked for by a single person in their consultation but was instead dropped into the policy at the last minute by a small group of misguided councillors.

source: http://www.guildford-dragon.com/2016/07 ... lose-case/
Author:  edders23 [ Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
personally I think the arguments for a "livery" are actually flawed
Author:  Sussex [ Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
captain cab wrote:
“I hope the Guildford public take note of this behavior by the council

I suspect they will be pleased they aren't paying the costs to defend this appeal.

I understand that folks have got the hump with the decision, but from my experience of licensing and dealing with officers and councillors, is that you get stuff sorted before it's ever on the cards, or you get your modifications to policy before it's ever on the cards.

I suspect some people in the trade wanted this policy, and I suspect they got there first.
Author:  trotskys twin [ Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
an amateur association gets mugged off :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: oh what a surprise, resorting to the Courts is always a stupid route this was an industrial issue and should have been dealt with by industrial and political action MUGS :badgrin:
Author:  spaceinvader1 [ Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
I work ph in Guildford and have been following this case-one driver went against the council for the masses in effort over livery and could the council dictate a livery on his own personal car thus making him permanently "at work" due to all over body livery ie the whole car is Pantone Green council colours.Hackneys had big signs on top of vehicles saying Guildford taxi.The argument over public safety doesn't wash as there are dozens of drivers working ph from other areas in Hackney plated vehicles from other councils including one from Dudley with Dudley taxi signage all over it.Also many Uber drivers with London licenced cars and drivers operatin without reproach.The need for WAV vehicles for newly licenced Hackney vehicles ie free plate off council was thrown out Dec 15 so council licensing more saloons now and existing drivers swapping WAVs for saloons Prius skoda etc.Oh and despite record numbers of drivers and massive increases in fees to council we had ONE person in licensing last Friday and we have a cardboard box for taxis at council reception but no dedicated area as before we conduct our business in reception.
Author:  grandad [ Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
spaceinvader1 wrote:
I work ph in Guildford and have been following this case-one driver went against the council for the masses in effort over livery and could the council dictate a livery on his own personal car thus making him permanently "at work"
When a vehicle is plated it is permanently plated so in effect it is no longer a personal car but a work vehicle being used for private use.
Author:  mancityfan [ Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:08 pm ]
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Author:  trotskys twin [ Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Taxi Driver Loses Appeal Case Relating to New Livery
spaceinvader1 wrote:
I work ph in Guildford and have been following this case-one driver went against the council for the masses in effort over livery and could the council dictate a livery on his own personal car thus making him permanently "at work" due to all over body livery ie the whole car is Pantone Green council colours.Hackneys had big signs on top of vehicles saying Guildford taxi.The argument over public safety doesn't wash as there are dozens of drivers working ph from other areas in Hackney plated vehicles from other councils including one from Dudley with Dudley taxi signage all over it.Also many Uber drivers with London licenced cars and drivers operatin without reproach.The need for WAV vehicles for newly licenced Hackney vehicles ie free plate off council was thrown out Dec 15 so council licensing more saloons now and existing drivers swapping WAVs for saloons Prius skoda etc.Oh and despite record numbers of drivers and massive increases in fees to council we had ONE person in licensing last Friday and we have a cardboard box for taxis at council reception but no dedicated area as before we conduct our business in reception.



CONFIRMATION IN WRITING FROM ONE OF THE MUGS THESE MUGS ARE GETTING MUGGED OFF ..................................GOOD :badgrin: :badgrin:
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