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Author:  thelodger [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  A free lift to the pub! Would this be legal?

A free lift to the pub? The award-winning boozer going the extra mile for its customers
16:00, 25 OCT 2016 UPDATED 16:05, 25 OCT 2016
BY DAVE ROBSON
The Cleveland Bay pips more than 500 entries to top spot in 'Community Hero' awards

A pub's efforts to be the toast of its community has earned it a national prize ahead of more than 500 entries.

Redcar’s Cleveland Bay has been crowned national winner of the coveted Enterprise Community Hero Awards - a scheme run by the pub chain to recognise its most community-minded publicans.

And for Russ and Sarah Clark, it’s the second taste of success, having won the regional title last year.

The duo, who have been at the helm of The Cleveland Bay since 2013, impressed the judges with their tireless efforts to make the pub a true community hub, with various groups meeting there almost every night, and to make the pub fully accessible to those less able.

They were crowned number one, with its £6,000 first prize, at a ceremony in the Chesford Grange Hotel Kenilworth, Warwick.

They earned the top spot after judges reviewed a record 535 entries from publicans across the UK.

Russ and Sarah won the North-east Community Hero Award in 2015, when they put their £3,000 prize money towards a £5,000 project to make the Ings Road pub fully accessible for disabled and elderly customers. They had ramps and handrails installed, along with additional external lighting.

The Cleveland Bay at Redcar run by Russell ClarkThe Cleveland Bay at Redcar run by Russell Clark
Russ has also worked the council on ideas to help improve the wider area.

He said: “We like to make everyone feel welcome. We are currently looking into providing free transport for our less abled customers. This will enable them to get out a bit more and socialise, especially in the dark winter months.

“We intend to provide a free door-to-door service with a seven-seated vehicle free of charge. The bus route that runs past the pub is under threat at the moment which could isolate a lot of the elderly people who rely on the public transport.”

Enterprise CEO Simon Townsend said: “We are incredibly proud of all of our finalists and in particular Russ and Sarah, who are the epitome of great publicans.”

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess ... g-12076473

Author:  captain cab [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:11 pm ]
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It's illegal.

Author:  thelodger [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A free lift to the pub! Would this be legal?

I am guessing any vehicle would have to be a PH, with a licenced PH driver?

Author:  captain cab [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:17 pm ]
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thelodger wrote:
I am guessing any vehicle would have to be a PH, with a licenced PH driver?


could be a licensed taxi with a licensed driver.

if it was PH the pub would have to be a PH operator, with a licensed PHV and a PHV driver

Author:  ven2112 [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:38 pm ]
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ah well ,, always said it would happen , take them for nothing :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  heathcote [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:11 pm ]
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Redcar and Cleveland Council along with the Northern Traffic Commissioners should put a stop to this immediately,this proposal would I am sure have to go in front of the Traffic Commissioner as it replaces a Bus service and has to be registered,Court cases have already proven this type of service is illegal.

Everyone on TDO seems to not realise the threat of the Tourism deregulation proposal of which this is one part of it,if it is allowed to go ahead it is another nail in the coffin of the trade as we know it,every TOM,DICK and HARRY will be running around providing a service totally unlicensed and unregulated.

You have been warned,wake up to these threats before it is too late.

Author:  sasha [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:21 pm ]
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Illegal and there is precedent, Swallow v.(cant remember).

Basically it's hire and/or reward.

Author:  edders23 [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:00 pm ]
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sasha wrote:
Illegal and there is precedent, Swallow v.(cant remember).

Basically it's hire and/or reward.


assuming they don't go down the route of getting licensed first :wink:

Author:  captain cab [ Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:24 pm ]
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sasha wrote:
Illegal and there is precedent, Swallow v.(cant remember).

Basically it's hire and/or reward.



=D> =D> =D>

well done that chap - half right :wink:

Author:  sasha [ Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:24 pm ]
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Rout v. Swallow, in the legal database.

Basically a hotel using a member of staff to drive its own vehicle (unlicensed) to give guests free lifts.

Ruled that the hotel stood to gain from the service and as such was the reward element from hire and reward, and as such they needed a licenced vehicle and hire and reward insurance.

Author:  captain cab [ Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:35 pm ]
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sasha wrote:
Rout v. Swallow, in the legal database.

Basically a hotel using a member of staff to drive its own vehicle (unlicensed) to give guests free lifts.

Ruled that the hotel stood to gain from the service and as such was the reward element from hire and reward, and as such they needed a licenced vehicle and hire and reward insurance.



yep that's the one =D>

Author:  trotskys twin [ Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:53 pm ]
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It was tried in London where we get a few tourists :D :D one phone call to Ken and that was killed orf pronto, and has never resurfaced :D

wernt the LPHCA and proprietors happy with the Unions over that one ....................indeed :D

Author:  roythebus [ Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:24 pm ]
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Rout-v-Swallow hotel was indeed the one which more or less defined Hire and Reward here. the Glockner Ambualnz case in Germany further defined it as being "for fiscal activity" which covered free lifts much as Rout.

Replacing a bus service with a free service has been challenged by Stagecoach and I think Darlington Borough Transport a few years back when buses were first deregulated and SC ran free buses a couple of minutes in front of the DBT buses.

The TC is unlikely to be interested, but certainly get on to the local licencing officer who is probably the same one who licences the pub! He should have put them right a lot earlier. Under 8 passenger seats=taxi/ph, over 8 seats is PSV. the pub'sinsurance will be invalid too, carring passengers for hire and reward, even for free. (Pink Ladies case in the database on here).

Author:  grandad [ Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:29 pm ]
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roythebus wrote:
Rout-v-Swallow hotel was indeed the one which more or less defined Hire and Reward here. the Glockner Ambualnz case in Germany further defined it as being "for fiscal activity" which covered free lifts much as Rout.

Replacing a bus service with a free service has been challenged by Stagecoach and I think Darlington Borough Transport a few years back when buses were first deregulated and SC ran free buses a couple of minutes in front of the DBT buses.

The TC is unlikely to be interested, but certainly get on to the local licencing officer who is probably the same one who licences the pub! He should have put them right a lot earlier. Under 8 passenger seats=taxi/ph, over 8 seats is PSV. the pub'sinsurance will be invalid too, carring passengers for hire and reward, even for free. (Pink Ladies case in the database on here).

What ever happened to Pink Ladies?

Author:  roythebus [ Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:34 am ]
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They got nicked.

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