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Author:  Hacked Off [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drivers
Taxi app Uber has lost a court battle to stop strict new rules which would require its drivers to prove their reading and writing skills to operate in London.

Transport for London (TfL) said that drivers should have to prove their ability to communicate in English and be able to read and write to a certain standard.

Uber argued the standard was too high and launched a legal challenge in the High Court but Judge John Mitting said: "TfL are entitled to require private hire drivers to demonstrate English compliance."

The rules require all private hire drivers to take tests in basic writing and reading but Uber London Ltd argued they will lead to "indirect racial discrimination" and could threaten the livelihoods of 30,000 drivers.

Tom de la Mare QC, for Uber and drivers Hungarian national Sandor Balogh, Bulgarian Nikolay Dimitrov and Imran Khan from Pakistan, told the judge the language requirement would contribute to 70,000 applicants failing to obtain a licence over three years.

He said the changes involving insurance and setting up call centres for complaints would also likely lead to extra costs to private hire drivers running into millions of pounds.

TfL's proposals would have a disproportionate impact on drivers from countries where English was not spoken and cause "indirect discrimination on grounds of race and nationality".

But TfL said its proposals were designed to ensure passenger safety and boost standards.

More follows...

http://news.sky.com/story/uber-loses-co ... s-10788260
Author:  youbeenbusy [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
It seems they intend to appeal against the decision.
it looks like they have won on the point about having 1 year
insurance in place . part time insurance ?
Author:  trotskys twin [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
Hacked Off wrote:
Taxi app Uber has lost a court battle to stop strict new rules which would require its drivers to prove their reading and writing skills to operate in London.

Transport for London (TfL) said that drivers should have to prove their ability to communicate in English and be able to read and write to a certain standard.

Uber argued the standard was too high and launched a legal challenge in the High Court but Judge John Mitting said: "TfL are entitled to require private hire drivers to demonstrate English compliance."

The rules require all private hire drivers to take tests in basic writing and reading but Uber London Ltd argued they will lead to "indirect racial discrimination" and could threaten the livelihoods of 30,000 drivers.

Tom de la Mare QC, for Uber and drivers Hungarian national Sandor Balogh, Bulgarian Nikolay Dimitrov and Imran Khan from Pakistan, told the judge the language requirement would contribute to 70,000 applicants failing to obtain a licence over three years.

He said the changes involving insurance and setting up call centres for complaints would also likely lead to extra costs to private hire drivers running into millions of pounds.

TfL's proposals would have a disproportionate impact on drivers from countries where English was not spoken and cause "indirect discrimination on grounds of race and nationality".

But TfL said its proposals were designed to ensure passenger safety and boost standards.

More follows...

http://news.sky.com/story/uber-loses-co ... s-10788260


GOOD WELL DONE TFL =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

no doubt the fat eejit from the GMPHDB is delighted he's been stopped in his tracks AGAIN .........WELL DONE SADIQ YHAN :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:
Author:  Hacked Off [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
I wonder how long it will take to for Dodgy English Schools offering dodgy certificates to start appearing.
Author:  trotskys twin [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
Hacked Off wrote:
I wonder how long it will take to for Dodgy English Schools offering dodgy certificates to start appearing.


Hacked thats been coverd its all to be done through some Uny or other at £180 a go ha ha fookin brill i reckon 70000 illiterates orf the road =D> =D> =D> =D>

WELL DONE SADIQ KHAN =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

FILL YER BOOTS FILL YER BOOTS FILL YER BOOTS

Might even go back on the road meself should be a good earner with all those burkes removed from the PH list =D> =D> =D>


A smallish semi skilled high earning workforce of PH drivers in London in the future he he =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

As workers under the direction of the company of course and naturally Unionised .....no not the GMB mugs theres another Unit gearing UP =D> =D>
Author:  grandad [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
I don't think TFL are being unreasonable. If I want to set up as a taxi driver in Spain I have to be fluent in Spanish. I don't see that as being unreasonable unless I am only thinking of picking up British only passengers.
Author:  edders23 [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
exactly if you want to work in any country learning the local language is essential it's only because Uber are frightened of losing drivers and the commission they earn off them

I'm sure someone once told me that in Spain you have to be spanish born to be allowed to have a hackney badge
Author:  grandad [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
edders23 wrote:

I'm sure someone once told me that in Spain you have to be spanish born to be allowed to have a hackney badge

No you don't have to be Spanish born but you do need to be fluent in the language..................oh and have about 70,000 Euro to invest.
Author:  MR T [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
grandad wrote:
edders23 wrote:

I'm sure someone once told me that in Spain you have to be spanish born to be allowed to have a hackney badge

No you don't have to be Spanish born but you do need to be fluent in the language..................oh and have about 70,000 Euro to invest.

Or a Spanish partner
Author:  captain cab [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
Taxi for Uber: High Court rules in favour of TfL saying private hire drivers will have to pass a written English exam


Uber has lost a key part of its High Court case against Transport for London (TfL), after a High Court ruled private hire drivers will be forced to pass a written English exam.

The firm did though, win other parts of its case, so it won't have to provide a telephone call centre for passengers open 24 hours a day. The transport body is entitled to make Uber set up a hotline for emergency calls though.

Uber also won on what it considered unjustified insurance demands; TfL wanted drivers to have commercial insurance when vehicles aren't being used as private hire vehicles.

The judge said TfL was "entitled to require private hire drivers to demonstrate English language compliance".

Uber said it will appeal the "unfair and disproportionate" rule on English written tests. Tom Elvidge, general manager of Uber in London, said:

While we are glad the court agreed with us on the other measures TfL tried to impose, this is a deeply disappointing outcome for tens of thousands of drivers who will lose their livelihoods because they cannot pass an essay writing test.

We’ve always supported spoken English skills, but writing an essay has nothing to do with communicating with passengers or getting them safely from A to B.

Uber had challenged the legal basis for the rules proposed by Transport for London (TfL), whereby London minicab drivers would need to pass written tests.

The taxi-hailing app firm had accepted some degree of reading and writing ability is needed, but argued the test proposed in its current form is excessive. Lawyers for Uber said TfL's estimates indicated 33,000 drivers would either fail the test or be deterred from trying to renew their licence.

TfL has said the test, which will cost drivers £180 apiece to take, is necessary to boost standards across the industry.

Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said:

Drivers being able to speak English and understand information from passengers and licensing requirements is a vital part of ensuring passengers get the high standard of service they need and deserve.

This could include discussing a better route, talking about a medical condition, or ensuring every driver is fully up to date with new regulations.

TfL will of course look at the High Court judgement in detail to ensure all our policies fully comply, as we continue to work to improve standards and passenger safety across London’s private hire and taxi ‎services.

Initially TfL announced the test would be compulsory for anyone seeking to obtain or renew a licence to driver a private-hire taxi from 1 April 2017, irrespective of nationality. It was then pushed back to September after the legal challenge from Uber.

The transport body licenses nearly 118,000 minicab drivers.

Speaking to the London Assembly Transport Committee yesterday, TfL commissioner Mike Brown, said the English language requirement had received "very strong support" in both consultations carried out.

He stressed that there needed to be "a proper impact assessment", but that TfL also recognised the general issues around public perception "and people's concern that a driver is able to understand them" if they have a health problem, or an issue emerges during the course of the journey.

Brown acknowledged that "there may be" fewer licenced private hire drivers as a result of the English language requirement but that it was "a bit too early to say what the impact will be".

Today, TfL's director of service operations Peter Blake, said the incoming test would be "vital for customer safety".

“The court also recognised the need for passengers to be able to contact the private hire company they’re using should an emergency arise,"

Blake said. "We will reflect on today’s judgement and consider how best to deliver the further improvements we want to see to passenger safety and to standards across the industry."

source: http://www.cityam.com/260212/taxi-uber- ... ivate-hire
Author:  skippy41 [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
Quote:
Uber also won on what it considered unjustified insurance demands; TfL wanted drivers to have commercial insurance when vehicles aren't being used as private hire vehicles.


I was under the impression that if you have public or PH insurance, you could use your vehicle as social and domestic anyway
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
youbeenbusy wrote:
It seems they intend to appeal against the decision.
it looks like they have won on the point about having 1 year
insurance in place . part time insurance ?

They may or may not get leave to appeal. If they do then TfL will appeal the other two matters.
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:06 pm ]
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captain cab wrote:
The judge said TfL was "entitled to require private hire drivers to demonstrate English language compliance".

=D>
Author:  trotskys twin [ Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
Sussex wrote:
captain cab wrote:
The judge said TfL was "entitled to require private hire drivers to demonstrate English language compliance".

=D>


seconded :badgrin: :badgrin:

fook orf GMB yer to$$ers :lol: :lol:
Author:  Coopers [ Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Uber loses court case to stop strict new rules for drive
Great news, we just need them to lose their appeal on the self employed driver argument now.
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