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Down here in Weymouth we are about to undergo an unmet demand survey by TPI. Is there anyone out there who has experienced a survey by this company and if so, can you give any information about this company and how they go about conducting the survey. Have looked on their website but it doesn't tell you anything except that they carry out surveys.

Can they still use the population count as a major factor (1 per 1000).

Rab wrote:

Can they still use the population count as a major factor (1 per 1000).

I think we have been here before, and that way of working out SUD is bizarre, and wouldn't stand up in any court. Not even that woman's in Edinburgh.

Most surveys are similar, apart from Jacobs. And they are as bent as a nine-bob note. :wink:

Hope you have got loads of money, Sussex. Unsubstantiated libels such as this can land you in hot water. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

jimbo wrote:

Hope you have got loads of money, Sussex. Unsubstantiated libels such as this can land you in hot water. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

If anyone doubts what I say, all they have to do is read the Edinburgh SUD survey. I think even Jacobs now realise how flawed it is.

But maybe a court will confirm that in the near future. Who knows? :wink:

Miss Hamilton-Bruce said Mr Moore asked her to falsify names, dates and responses on reams of questionnaires - about 250 in total - and then 'shuffle them up to make a variety of answers'.

Can any one point me to a link on here or elsewhere to help me research the following: How good or what criteria must be used for a SUD survey to withstand a legal challenge?

Thanks in advance (HACK)

Thanks for your quick replys so far, My council has done a linited survey and there is a possibility of a challenge.

Author:	johnbrooks1 [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:49 pm ]
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Down here in Weymouth we are about to undergo an unmet demand survey by TPI. Is there anyone out there who has experienced a survey by this company and if so, can you give any information about this company and how they go about conducting the survey. Have looked on their website but it doesn't tell you anything except that they carry out surveys.

Author:	Sussex [ Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:17 pm ]
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johnbrooks1 wrote: Down here in Weymouth we are about to undergo an unmet demand survey by TPI. Is there anyone out there who has experienced a survey by this company and if so, can you give any information about this company and how they go about conducting the survey. Have looked on their website but it doesn't tell you anything except that they carry out surveys. This link gives you a rough idea as to what the final report will look like, well the executive summary at least. This is from just along the coast from you. http://www.havant.gov.uk/pdf/Hackney%20 ... ummary.pdf The full report will have pages and pages of stats, but all that really matters is the final SUD number.

Author:	Rab [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:48 am ]
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Does the same apply in Scotland or do the rules differ. Our LA are boing a survey at the moment but I expect them to do the usual (follow Edinburgh). Can they still use the population count as a major factor (1 per 1000).

Author:	Sussex [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:03 am ]
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Rab wrote: Can they still use the population count as a major factor (1 per 1000). I think we have been here before, and that way of working out SUD is bizarre, and wouldn't stand up in any court. Not even that woman's in Edinburgh. Most surveys are similar, apart from Jacobs. And they are as bent as a nine-bob note.

Author:	jimbo [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:13 am ]
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Sussex wrote: Rab wrote: Can they still use the population count as a major factor (1 per 1000). I think we have been here before, and that way of working out SUD is bizarre, and wouldn't stand up in any court. Not even that woman's in Edinburgh. Most surveys are similar, apart from Jacobs. And they are as bent as a nine-bob note. Hope you have got loads of money, Sussex. Unsubstantiated libels such as this can land you in hot water. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

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Author:	Sussex [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:29 pm ]
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jimbo wrote: Hope you have got loads of money, Sussex. Unsubstantiated libels such as this can land you in hot water. Unless you have evidence to the contrary. If anyone doubts what I say, all they have to do is read the Edinburgh SUD survey. I think even Jacobs now realise how flawed it is. But maybe a court will confirm that in the near future. Who knows?

Author:	jimbo [ Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:03 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: jimbo wrote: Hope you have got loads of money, Sussex. Unsubstantiated libels such as this can land you in hot water. Unless you have evidence to the contrary. If anyone doubts what I say, all they have to do is read the Edinburgh SUD survey. I think even Jacobs now realise how flawed it is. But maybe a court will confirm that in the near future. Who knows? Who knows? Not you! An opinion does not become a fact on your say so. Still, at least it's only flawed, now. It used to be fundamentally flawed

Author:	TDO [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:27 pm ]
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Why don't you ask the survey companies to address the fundamental flaws identified in Myth and Reality? You know, you could ask the 'real professor' with letters after his name and all that I suspect they'll just ignore you though

Author:	Doom 101 [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:47 am ]
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Can any one point me to a link on here or elsewhere to help me research the following: How good or what criteria must be used for a SUD survey to withstand a legal challenge? Thanks in advance (HACK)

Author:	TDO [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:39 am ]
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Well here's some criteria that can be used NOT to withstand a legal challenge http://makeashorterlink.com/?E12E22CBC (Thanks to Steveo for that one!) CAB SURVEY FORMS 'FAKED' 12:21 - 03 March 2006 Questionnaires which formed part of a survey the council is using to support its decision to limit the number of black cabs were forged, an employee who helped compile the data has told an appeal hearing. Elizabeth Hamilton-Bruce claims she was asked to falsify hundreds of questionnaires by the director of Mayflower Recruitment, Christopher Moore. Mayflower was given the task of employing people to compile questionnaires and surveys on taxi use in Plymouth last year. Transport Planning (International) Ltd used the data to compile a report which Plymouth City Council used as evidence that there was no significant unmet demand for black cabs in the city. The council has an upper limit of 359 on hackney carriage licences. Taxifast, run by John Preece, is appealing against a council decision, taken in 2003, to refuse it 30 hackney carriage licences because of the limit. Miss Hamilton-Bruce said Mr Moore asked her to falsify names, dates and responses on reams of questionnaires - about 250 in total - and then 'shuffle them up to make a variety of answers'. She said: "I was quite shocked, but because he had said the forms had to be completed and could I fill them in, I did it. He put me in a situation and I felt I had to do them." She did not say that the surveys of taxi ranks used in TPi's report were falsified. Mr Moore is also expected to appear at the hearing, taking place before Recorder Jonathan Fuller QC and two magistrates, which continues at the Guildhall today.

Author:	Sussex [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:08 am ]
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TDO wrote: Miss Hamilton-Bruce said Mr Moore asked her to falsify names, dates and responses on reams of questionnaires - about 250 in total - and then 'shuffle them up to make a variety of answers'. I wonder how much that little nugget is going to cost Plymouth Council and TPI?

Author:	Sussex [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:10 am ]
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littlejack3 wrote: Can any one point me to a link on here or elsewhere to help me research the following: How good or what criteria must be used for a SUD survey to withstand a legal challenge? Thanks in advance (HACK) As new criteria will be out soon (hopefully) from the DfT, and no real criteria is set in stone at the mo, it might well be worth just waiting a few weeks for your answer. But a cynic would say the criteria is what the council paying for the survey want.

Author:	Doom 101 [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:07 am ]
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Thanks for your quick replys so far, My council has done a linited survey and there is a possibility of a challenge. The council are saying their survey shows no SUD but I am not sure the survey is comprehensive enough to withstand scrutiny.

Author:	Sussex [ Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:59 pm ]
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littlejack3 wrote: Thanks for your quick replys so far, My council has done a linited survey and there is a possibility of a challenge. I think the problem with a challenge from within the trade is that you would be fighting against the only thing stopping me applying for (and getting) a 1000 plates.

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Author:	Doom 101 [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:24 pm ]
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Hi Sussex, you seem well clued up. The problem is that the council have done a survey and a guy is claiming it is not comprehensive enough and there is unmet demand. The council are saying it is and both they and the survey company will defend it all the way to the high court if neccessary. What's your take on this? Thanks.