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Author:  captain cab [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:21 am ]
Post subject:  council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
Cabbies 'would be forced off the road' as Hull council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018

Councillor Martin Mancey has said the council may ban giving new taxi licences to diesel drivers

Taxi drivers would be 'forced off the road' if the city council stopped issuing licences to those with diesel vehicles, it is claimed.

Councillor Martin Mancey, portfolio holder for strategic transport, has suggested the Guildhall may consider following London, where mayor Sadiq Khan has said no new taxi licence should granted to drivers with diesel vehicles from January 2018.

But Peter Nilsson, chairman of the Hull Hackney Carriage Association, has warned that would undoubtedly result in fewer taxis because of the extra costs drivers would incur.

He said: "Would our fares go up? Probably not. But I do believe people would not taxi driving, and so there would be fewer taxis on the road. Each taxi represents a business.

Cllr Mancey was speaking ahead of the publication of the Government's air action plan, which is expected later this month.

He said: "In London, the mayor is saying that no new taxi licence will be issued for diesel vehicles from January. As a council, we have to look at all measures and I would not rule that out.

"If we were to go down a similar path, and it's a big if, it would certainly not be in January 2018. We would want to hear the views of both Hackney carriage and private hire drivers. We would have have a discussion with them. There would be extensive consultation."

Cllr Mancey accepted the measure would be met with concern among Hull's cabbies, many of whom claim they are struggling to scratch a living even without any incoming extra costs.

However, he said this needed to be seen in the context of an estimated 29,000 deaths each year caused by emmisions.

Cllr Mancey said: "From the point of view of taxi drivers, I imagine there will be some concerns because petrol vehicles do less miles to the gallon, potentially increasing overall costs. That may put pressure on fares. But we have to look at the bigger picture - public health."

He added the council is working hard to encourage people to use public transport.

Despite this, Mr Nilsson has predicted a number of problems should Hull follow a similar path to London, and said the association's lawyers would invariably be involved.

He said: "Trying to get a petrol taxi is very difficult, because they're a lot dearer to run than diesel taxis.

"Electric cars? I personally have not seen any that are fit for purpose. You can only go 100 miles on a charge. What do you do if a fare wants to go to Manchester Airport? It just can't work.

"Hybrid vehicles are very expensive, compared to say a diesel taxi."

According to Mr Nilsson's reckoning, there are 170 black cabs in Hull. He believes there are in the region of 1,300 private hire vehicles.

He feels the driving factor behind Hull's congestion, linked to poor air quality, is "poor road layout" as opposed to traffic volume.

"The roads are not coping with the number of vehicles," he said. "No-one one knows the roads like taxi drivers. We know how the city works.

"Look at Spring Bank West, Cottingham Road and Bricknell Avenue. There used to be two lanes in each direction. Now there's one. That's the reason why our roads are becoming clogged. We're losing roads."

source: http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hul ... ull-172093
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
captain cab wrote:
According to Mr Nilsson's reckoning, there are 170 black cabs in Hull.

Not for much longer it would appear.

Interesting to see and hear the reaction from councils when no one can license a WAV anymore?
Author:  grandad [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
Sussex wrote:
captain cab wrote:
According to Mr Nilsson's reckoning, there are 170 black cabs in Hull.

Not for much longer it would appear.

Interesting to see and hear the reaction from councils when no one can license a WAV anymore?

I thought LTI are doing an electric one?
Author:  bloodnock [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
I wonder if that same Council will be getting rid of all it's Diesels trucks, Diggers, road repairing machinery, emergency generators, Tractors, Vans etc....I bet not, where they going to find affordable replacements if they can find replacements at all.

Double standards as always from a " Look at me I want to be seen to be green council", So until they cleanse every green Vehicle from their council fleet inventory then they have no right moral right to tell others to do likewise.

Feckwits.
Author:  x-ray [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
captain cab wrote:
According to Mr Nilsson's reckoning, there are 170 black cabs in Hull.

Not for much longer it would appear.

Interesting to see and hear the reaction from councils when no one can license a WAV anymore?

I thought LTI are doing an electric one?


They are, well, electric/petrol hybrid.
Author:  Sussex [ Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
grandad wrote:
I thought LTI are doing an electric one?

Not convinced the good taxi drivers of Hull will be in a position to pay £60,000 by 2018 for a new electric TX5.
Author:  Midlife martyr [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
I thought LTI are doing an electric one?

Not convinced the good taxi drivers of Hull will be in a position to pay £60,000 by 2018 for a new electric TX5.
Author:  jimbo [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
Midlife martyr wrote:
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
I thought LTI are doing an electric one?

Not convinced the good taxi drivers of Hull will be in a position to pay £60,000 by 2018 for a new electric TX5.


I'm not convinced that a non diesel WAV will be available anytime soon.
Author:  roythebus [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: council says they may ban diesel taxis from 2018
From my experience and going back quite a few years when London Transport (as it was then) proposed low sulphur diesel, we worked out that low sulphur buses would do less mpg than normal diesel. We, the operators, were right. Instead of getting about 8 mpg we were getting 4 mpg. Today's buses do even less as they're some 4 tons heavier than some of the older buses. So the argument should follow that the amount of pollution is the same, just a different quality of pollution!

As for road layout, that, in my belief is a huge part of the problem of pollution. n my part of the world in Kent, we have junction 10 exit from the M20, a huge roundabout with 6 sets of lights. Even in the middle of the night you can get caught at all 6 sets of light, taking some 5 minutes or more. So all the thousands of vehicles using that junction every day being stationary for many minutes, the accelerating away only to stop at the next set can't be good for the environment.

I've found much the same in London where on one of the routes I drive the bus pulls away from the lights, gets stopped at the next set 100 yards away, then the 3rd set another 100 yards away. [edited by admin] road layout and traffic light are the cause of unnecessary pollution.
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