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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:21 am 
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http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/NEWS/15424862.Uber_drivers__sleeping_out__in_York__it_is_claimed/

UBER drivers licensed in Bradford are ‘sleeping out’ in York to get trade, it has been claimed.

York registered taxi and private hire drivers angry about losing business say the out-of-town drivers are unchecked and unregulated by the local authority.

The city attracts Uber drivers from all over the UK, from as far away as London and Scotland, but the biggest percentage of them are coming from Bradford, according to York Private Hire Association which has more than 700 members.

An association spokesman said: “Taking fare-money out of the York community by using out-of-town cars who do not meet the standards set for local taxis, who rely on a sat nav which rarely goes the shortest distance and who loiter in the York licensing area after their job has ended, needs to come to an end.”

The association has set up an online petition to try and drive Uber out. that'll work NOT

“Bradford Uber drivers are sleeping in their vehicles in side-streets, they are working crazy hours. We have warned York Council of the dangers,” said the Association spokesman.

Matt Boxall, head of public protection at City of York Council said: “City of York Council is working closely with neighbouring authorities on monitoring and enforcing compliance with legislation in order to manage the impact of licensed private hire vehicles working across different authority areas.”

An Uber spokesman said: “Drivers who use the Uber app are no different to other licensed drivers – they hold a private hire licence, have passed the required DBS background checks and are insured for every trip.

"It’s common practice for drivers to carry out trips between cities and they are legally allowed to do so if the trip is pre-booked. Uber has a zero tolerance approach to plying for hire – any driver found to accept a street hail will be stopped from using our app.”

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:47 am 
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edders23 wrote:
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/NEWS/15424862.Uber_drivers__sleeping_out__in_York__it_is_claimed/

UBER drivers licensed in Bradford are ‘sleeping out’ in York to get trade, it has been claimed.

York registered taxi and private hire drivers angry about losing business say the out-of-town drivers are unchecked and unregulated by the local authority.

The city attracts Uber drivers from all over the UK, from as far away as London and Scotland, but the biggest percentage of them are coming from Bradford, according to York Private Hire Association which has more than 700 members.

An association spokesman said: “Taking fare-money out of the York community by using out-of-town cars who do not meet the standards set for local taxis, who rely on a sat nav which rarely goes the shortest distance and who loiter in the York licensing area after their job has ended, needs to come to an end.”

The association has set up an online petition to try and drive Uber out. that'll work NOT

“Bradford Uber drivers are sleeping in their vehicles in side-streets, they are working crazy hours. We have warned York Council of the dangers,” said the Association spokesman.

Matt Boxall, head of public protection at City of York Council said: “City of York Council is working closely with neighbouring authorities on monitoring and enforcing compliance with legislation in order to manage the impact of licensed private hire vehicles working across different authority areas.”

An Uber spokesman said: “Drivers who use the Uber app are no different to other licensed drivers – they hold a private hire licence, have passed the required DBS background checks and are insured for every trip.

"It’s common practice for drivers to carry out trips between cities and they are legally allowed to do so if the trip is pre-booked. Uber has a zero tolerance approach to plying for hire – any driver found to accept a street hail will be stopped from using our app.”


Again Uber spokesman speaks with forked tongue,Uber vehicle in Brighton was seized for not having ANY insurance,to work for Uber you must have to prove that you will not tell the truth at all times.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:05 pm 
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Again Uber spokesman speaks with forked tongue,Uber vehicle in Brighton was seized for not having ANY insurance,to work for Uber you must have to prove that you will not tell the truth at all times.


your such an uberfile Heathy :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:15 pm 
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Again Uber spokesman speaks with forked tongue,Uber vehicle in Brighton was seized for not having ANY insurance,to work for Uber you must have to prove that you will not tell the truth at all times.
That does not mean that ALL UBER drivers have no insurance.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:01 pm 
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grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:

Again Uber spokesman speaks with forked tongue,Uber vehicle in Brighton was seized for not having ANY insurance,to work for Uber you must have to prove that you will not tell the truth at all times.
That does not mean that ALL UBER drivers have no insurance.



It also means that every does not equate to all.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:34 pm 
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grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:

Again Uber spokesman speaks with forked tongue,Uber vehicle in Brighton was seized for not having ANY insurance,to work for Uber you must have to prove that you will not tell the truth at all times.
That does not mean that ALL UBER drivers have no insurance.


This raises the question of how operators check that a driver has valid insurance, do they just accept a certificate at face value or are they obliged to contact the said insurer to confirm the document is genuine and even if it is valid at the time the driver starts working with the operator what happens if the driver stops paying the instalments and reinsures the car on a general policy to fool the anpr cameras.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:52 pm 
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Midlife martyr wrote:
grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:

Again Uber spokesman speaks with forked tongue,Uber vehicle in Brighton was seized for not having ANY insurance,to work for Uber you must have to prove that you will not tell the truth at all times.
That does not mean that ALL UBER drivers have no insurance.


This raises the question of how operators check that a driver has valid insurance, do they just accept a certificate at face value or are they obliged to contact the said insurer to confirm the document is genuine and even if it is valid at the time the driver starts working with the operator what happens if the driver stops paying the instalments and reinsures the car on a general policy to fool the anpr cameras.

If someone wants to go to that trouble there isn't a lot that can be done.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:38 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Midlife martyr wrote:
grandad wrote:

Again Uber spokesman speaks with forked tongue,Uber vehicle in Brighton was seized for not having ANY insurance,to work for Uber you must have to prove that you will not tell the truth at all times.
That does not mean that ALL UBER drivers have no insurance.


This raises the question of how operators check that a driver has valid insurance, do they just accept a certificate at face value or are they obliged to contact the said insurer to confirm the document is genuine and even if it is valid at the time the driver starts working with the operator what happens if the driver stops paying the instalments and reinsures the car on a general policy to fool the anpr cameras.

If someone wants to go to that trouble there isn't a lot that can be done.[/quote]


There is fair number of people in this trade of ferrying people around who do go to that trouble,Councils,councillors(your one)and private hire operators all have a responsibility to stamp this practice out.
Section 61 should be used to remove these people from the trade,they are not fit and proper person,if they run about without the correct insurance or non at all no person will find that they are fit and proper.
It requires Councils and Councillors to use the tools at their disposal to rid this trade of the undesirables within it whether they be drivers,proprietors or private hire operators.Also those enforcement officers who allow this practice to go unchecked should be brought to task and removed from their post as they are not a fit and proper person.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:12 am 
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There is fair number of people in this trade of ferrying people around who do go to that trouble,Councils,councillors(your one)and private hire operators all have a responsibility to stamp this practice out.
Section 61 should be used to remove these people from the trade,they are not fit and proper person,if they run about without the correct insurance or non at all no person will find that they are fit and proper.
It requires Councils and Councillors to use the tools at their disposal to rid this trade of the undesirables within it whether they be drivers,proprietors or private hire operators.Also those enforcement officers who allow this practice to go unchecked should be brought to task and removed from their post as they are not a fit and proper person.

If a driver presents all the correct documentation when applying for a vehicle license and after it has been granted that driver decides that he is going to change or cancel the insurance, tax or whatever, how will anyone know until something bad happens? You can't be suggesting that Councils employ someone whose job it is to check the status of tax and insurance on a daily basis? That would add a hell of a lot to the cost of a license. Perhaps the DVLA and the MID could introduce a system whereby any changes to the tax and insurance status of a licensed vehicle could be immediately reported to the local authority where the vehicle is licensed. I don't think such a system is possible with the current databases , maybe there is a trade body out there who could lobby for such a thing.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:31 am 
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grandad wrote:
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There is fair number of people in this trade of ferrying people around who do go to that trouble,Councils,councillors(your one)and private hire operators all have a responsibility to stamp this practice out.
Section 61 should be used to remove these people from the trade,they are not fit and proper person,if they run about without the correct insurance or non at all no person will find that they are fit and proper.
It requires Councils and Councillors to use the tools at their disposal to rid this trade of the undesirables within it whether they be drivers,proprietors or private hire operators.Also those enforcement officers who allow this practice to go unchecked should be brought to task and removed from their post as they are not a fit and proper person.

If a driver presents all the correct documentation when applying for a vehicle license and after it has been granted that driver decides that he is going to change or cancel the insurance, tax or whatever, how will anyone know until something bad happens? You can't be suggesting that Councils employ someone whose job it is to check the status of tax and insurance on a daily basis? That would add a hell of a lot to the cost of a license. Perhaps the DVLA and the MID could introduce a system whereby any changes to the tax and insurance status of a licensed vehicle could be immediately reported to the local authority where the vehicle is licensed. I don't think such a system is possible with the current databases , maybe there is a trade body out there who could lobby for such a thing.

The councils can of course use the same system as the police as Sefton do.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:33 pm 
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MR T wrote:
The councils can of course use the same system as the police as Sefton do.


How often do you suggest that each vehicle is checked?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:11 pm 
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grandad wrote:
MR T wrote:
The councils can of course use the same system as the police as Sefton do.


How often do you suggest that each vehicle is checked?



A private hire operator should check everyday that any vehicle he provides has adequate(correct for vehicle) insurance cover whilst it is licensed.Enforcement Officers should be out spot checking vehicles at various times day or night 7 days a week.The trade pay for enforcement to be carried out and expect it is ,unfortunately a lot of operators and drivers are happy it is not as it allows the unprofessional elements to continue undetected and when they are detected use every excuse in the book to justify their infringement.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:18 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
A private hire operator should check everyday that any vehicle he provides has adequate(correct for vehicle) insurance cover whilst it is licensed.

I suspect most of them do, or their IT systems do it for them.

Unfortunately many people are inclined to not pay their direct debits and are therefore not probably insured, although everyone assumes they are.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:21 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
The trade pay for enforcement to be carried out and expect it is.

Well I'm not convinced the trade do pay for 24/7 enforcement.

I can hear the 'end of the world is nigh' quotes now from the trade who's license fees will increase significantly to pay for said enforcement, and it's worth remembering you could have 24/7 enforcement, but that isn't going to do anything in respect of non locally licensed vehicles.

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