Sussex wrote:
If a driver is waiting for a request, sitting in an airport queue or driving without a passenger, however, this will not be included in the 10-hour limit.
In other words a pointless f***ing exercise.
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Uber places limit on driver hours |
Taxi app Uber places limit on driver hours Uber is to introduce a cap on the number of hours its drivers are allowed to work. Under new rules to be introduced next week, a driver must take a six-hour break after 10 hours of working. The ride-hailing app said the measures were an "industry first" that would enhance safety for both drivers and passengers. But unions have slammed the change as "tinkering" that fails to address the reasons for long hours worked by many drivers on the app. "The reason drivers are fatigued is because they are not earning enough," said James Farrar, the chair of the private hire drivers' branch of the Independent Workers' Union of Great Britain. "If Uber forces drivers to work less without paying more it is just going to depress hourly earnings even further below the minimum wage and push drivers to the brink." Research by the IWGB, which represents workers in several areas of what has come to be known as the "gig" economy, found Uber drivers had to work just over 34 hours a week to break even. The same findings suggested a net hourly income of £5.17 per hour. The measures mean the app will enforce a six-hour break demand after a driver racks up 10 hours driving on a trip with a passenger, or on the way to pick one up. If a driver is waiting for a request, sitting in an airport queue or driving without a passenger, however, this will not be included in the 10-hour limit. Uber says that nearly a third of its 50,000 UK drivers are logged into the app for more than 40 hours a week, with just under 8% online for more than 60. "Licensed drivers who use our app really value the freedom and flexibility to choose if, when and where they work," said Andrew Byrne, Uber's head of policy. "We continue to listen to feedback and plan to make other changes and improvements over the coming months." The ride-sharing app has in recent months been plagued by concerns over safety and driver rights. In October, Transport for London denied it a licence to operate in London, saying it had demonstrated a "lack of corporate responsibility". The following month Mr Farrar and another driver won a landmark case against the ride hailing app, with a court ruling they were workers entitled to the minimum wage, sick pay and benefits. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
Sussex wrote: If a driver is waiting for a request, sitting in an airport queue or driving without a passenger, however, this will not be included in the 10-hour limit. In other words a pointless f***ing exercise.
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| Author: | sasha [ Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
Sussex wrote: Sussex wrote: If a driver is waiting for a request, sitting in an airport queue or driving without a passenger, however, this will not be included in the 10-hour limit. In other words a pointless f***ing exercise. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
Sussex wrote: Sussex wrote: If a driver is waiting for a request, sitting in an airport queue or driving without a passenger, however, this will not be included in the 10-hour limit. In other words a pointless f***ing exercise. That's why businesses like Uber have a huge PR budget - doing something that will make little practical difference, but makes for positive headlines for the company. Only question is whether the 'experts', councillors and politicians will see through it - I suspect not. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
StuartW wrote: Only question is whether the 'experts', councillors and politicians will see through it - I suspect not. I doubt TfL and the GMB will fail to point this out to the courts if Uber bring it up during those two cases. If anything I think it will back fire on Uber. |
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| Author: | jimbo [ Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
Sitting in an airport queue? Isn’t that what Hackney carriages do? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
jimbo wrote: Sitting in an airport queue? Isn’t that what Hackney carriages do? |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
Sussex wrote: StuartW wrote: Only question is whether the 'experts', councillors and politicians will see through it - I suspect not. I doubt TfL and the GMB will fail to point this out to the courts if Uber bring it up during those two cases. If anything I think it will back fire on Uber. Don't know about TfL, but suspect the average councillor, official or licensing solicitor wouldn't see through a limit like Uber is proposing. As for the employment status thing, perhaps the practical effect of the limit isn't the thing so much as the very fact of Uber attempting to control driver's hours. |
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| Author: | jimbo [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
Sussex wrote: jimbo wrote: Sitting in an airport queue? Isn’t that what Hackney carriages do? That’s what I said. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
jimbo wrote: Sussex wrote: jimbo wrote: Sitting in an airport queue? Isn’t that what Hackney carriages do? That’s what I said. I know. I'm going mad. |
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| Author: | MR T [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
Sussex wrote: jimbo wrote: Sussex wrote: jimbo wrote: Sitting in an airport queue? Isn’t that what Hackney carriages do? That’s what I said. I know. I'm going mad. going? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Uber places limit on driver hours |
jimbo wrote: Isn’t that what Hackney carriages do? What I meant to say was that PH sit in a queue at airports too, a virtual queue. |
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