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jimbo
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the point is this happens in every town and city in the land on a daily basis and i'm sure you ALL also have colleagues that do it.

The answer is not to cut off your nose to spite your face but to educate people to understand it is no longer acceptable to do it something I do try and do

There is only one driver round here that allows passengers to smoke in the car (one of spaceshuttle 1's not one of mine) that I would consider grounds for terminating their contract but if you are suggesting I am not fit and proper then EVERY company owner in the UK is probably the same as I doubt there are many if any firms that don't have at least one driver that smokes in their car. Putting them out of work is NOT the answer educating them is



Well why do you not educate him or are you just like the majority of operators, only interested in the £s he pays you.


I am and we have got one of the drivers to attempt to give up the other does normally get out of the vehicle to smoke but if it's their own vehicle they are smoking in you can hardly take it off them whereas Pete owns his vehicles and therefore can enforce no smoking rules




Wonder how many “Pete’s” there are working in Stamford?

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jimbo wrote:
edders23 wrote:
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the point is this happens in every town and city in the land on a daily basis and i'm sure you ALL also have colleagues that do it.

The answer is not to cut off your nose to spite your face but to educate people to understand it is no longer acceptable to do it something I do try and do

There is only one driver round here that allows passengers to smoke in the car (one of spaceshuttle 1's not one of mine) that I would consider grounds for terminating their contract but if you are suggesting I am not fit and proper then EVERY company owner in the UK is probably the same as I doubt there are many if any firms that don't have at least one driver that smokes in their car. Putting them out of work is NOT the answer educating them is



Well why do you not educate him or are you just like the majority of operators, only interested in the £s he pays you.


I am and we have got one of the drivers to attempt to give up the other does normally get out of the vehicle to smoke but if it's their own vehicle they are smoking in you can hardly take it off them whereas Pete owns his vehicles and therefore can enforce no smoking rules




Wonder how many “Pete’s” there are working in Stamford?


none as per usual Jimbo you didn't read the whole thread :roll:


by the way today i was sat on the rank and the boss of a rival firm pulled up to drop a passenger off BOTH had a lit cigarette in their mouths ! Many smokers don't see it as a criminal act it is an education thing

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Why are the none smoking customers complaining to the Council? I am damn sure they would around here.

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Why are the none smoking customers complaining to the Council? I am damn sure they would around here.

Most punters aren't aware they can complain to the council, they instead complain to the firms.

And in most cases that's where it ends.

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Why are the none smoking customers complaining to the Council? I am damn sure they would around here.

Most punters aren't aware they can complain to the council, they instead complain to the firms.

And in (most) ALL cases that's where it ends.


I have only once ever known a customer to go as far as complaining to the council which is why the LO's tell us there are no problems because they get no complaints :wink:

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edders23 wrote:
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Why are the none smoking customers complaining to the Council? I am damn sure they would around here.

Most punters aren't aware they can complain to the council, they instead complain to the firms.

And in (most) ALL cases that's where it ends.


I have only once ever known a customer to go as far as complaining to the council which is why the LO's tell us there are no problems because they get no complaints :wink:



Complaints against taxis and drivers are dealt with by the Council,private hire complaints are always referred to the operator,Council does not have control of private hire vehicles,operator has total responsibility for everything.
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,Council does not have control of private hire vehicles,operator has total responsibility for everything.

I don't think that is correct.

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grandad wrote:
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,Council does not have control of private hire vehicles,operator has total responsibility for everything.

I don't think that is correct.

I know it's not correct.

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Chris the Fish wrote:
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,Council does not have control of private hire vehicles,operator has total responsibility for everything.

I don't think that is correct.

I know it's not correct.

PH vehicles, drivers and operators all come under the same regulatory requirements as hacks and hack drivers.

The only possible issue that effects hacks that doesn't effect PH is if a driver overcharges.

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Sussex wrote:
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,Council does not have control of private hire vehicles,operator has total responsibility for everything.

I don't think that is correct.

I know it's not correct.

PH vehicles, drivers and operators all come under the same regulatory requirements as hacks and hack drivers.

The only possible issue that effects hacks that doesn't effect PH is if a driver overcharges.



Agree regulatory requirements are Council responsibility,but control of the driver and vehicle supplied by a private hire operator is the operators responsibility who can and in some cases be prosecuted for misdemeanours carried out by the driver.(knowingly allowing a driver to smoke in workplace could possibly be one,encouraging a driver to exceed the speed limit could be another.)
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I also think a hack proprietor has a duty to ensure any drivers of his cab act accordingly.

In fact they have to keep hold of their driver's license.

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heathcote wrote:
Agree regulatory requirements are Council responsibility,but control of the driver and vehicle supplied by a private hire operator is the operators responsibility who can and in some cases be prosecuted for misdemeanours carried out by the driver.(knowingly allowing a driver to smoke in workplace could possibly be one,encouraging a driver to exceed the speed limit could be another.)


To what degree a PH operator or PH/HC vehicle proprietor is responsible for the fitness of the driver and their conduct is an interesting legal question, particularly as it's directly relevant to the Uber 'fit and proper' dispute.

But to say licensing authorities have no responsibility at all is clearly wrong - earlier you said:

"Council does not have control of private hire vehicles, operator has total responsibility for everything."

Parallels with the self-employment question as well. :-k
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Sussex wrote:
I also think a hack proprietor has a duty to ensure any drivers of his cab act accordingly.

In fact they have to keep hold of their driver's license.



Qh no no no no no......No

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MR T wrote:
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I also think a hack proprietor has a duty to ensure any drivers of his cab act accordingly.

In fact they have to keep hold of their driver's license.



Qh no no no no no......No



Is the right answer

we have to SEE the license (paper bit) but there is no requirement to retain it and the badge has to remain with the driver and be on display whilst working

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edders23 wrote:
MR T wrote:
Sussex wrote:
I also think a hack proprietor has a duty to ensure any drivers of his cab act accordingly.

In fact they have to keep hold of their driver's license.



Qh no no no no no......No



Is the right answer

we have to SEE the license (paper bit) but there is no requirement to retain it and the badge has to remain with the driver and be on display whilst working


Oh but there is,Section 48,TPC Act 1847 makes it abundantly clear that a proprietor has to retain possession of the paper license and by not doing so commits a criminal offence.
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