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Author:  StuartW [ Thu May 17, 2018 6:42 am ]
Post subject:  Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offence
First part of this is unremarkable, but the second driver was warned because he declared the wrong type of speeding offence to the council, presumably a less serious one.

Licensing chiefs suspend driver after hearing of speeding offence

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/162 ... g_offence/

A TAXI driver has been suspended after licensing chiefs heard details of a speeding offence.

Members of the traffic matters licensing sub-committee found he was “not a fit and proper person to hold such a licence at this time” at a town hall meeting this week.

The panel, chaired by Cllr Martin Donaghy, came to the decision after hearing average speed cameras had recorded the private hire driver travelling at 48mph in a 40mph zone.

Members acknowledged that the driver had declared the conviction in accordance with his licence.

But they also noted that the driver previously had his licence for a two-week period in December 2014 after committing an offence.

And two further offences dating back to July 2010, for which no further action was taken, were also taken into consideration.

It also come to light that the driver had been offered a speed awareness course approximately three years ago, indicating additional speeding issues.

Minutes from the meeting, from which the public and press were excluded, state: “Drivers have a duty to adhere to speed limits at all times and exceeding them can be a real danger to public safety. There is therefore reasonable cause to renew and suspend the licence as a warning and as a deterrent.”

The panel also issued a warning letter to a hackney carriage driver after hearing how he made a false declaration after breaking the speed limit on the M6 motorway.

The driver declared that he had broken the passenger vehicle speed limit (an SP40 offence), rather than breaking the motorway speed limit (and SP50 offence).

He was captured by variable speed limit cameras and the true nature of the offence came was revealed after a council licensing officer made an online enquiry with the DVLA.

A third case was deferred to the next meeting of the Sub-Committee due to the non-attendance of the driver.

However, a decision will be made at the next meeting regardless of whether they are in attendance or not.
Author:  heathcote [ Thu May 17, 2018 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
Can someone explain what a passenger speed limit is.
Author:  cheshirebest [ Thu May 17, 2018 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
heathcote wrote:
Can someone explain what a passenger speed limit is.


That is quite simple...The Cab is being driven at 50mph whilst the passenger is travelling at 40mph passenger speed limit....so he is playing catch up with the driver...We have all seen them drivers...
Author:  Sussex [ Thu May 17, 2018 9:59 pm ]
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heathcote wrote:
Can someone explain what a passenger speed limit is.

PSV's I guess.
Author:  StuartW [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
Bolton suspends driver duo for two weeks and four weeks

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/163 ... spensions/

LICENSING chiefs handed out suspensions to two taxi drivers earlier this week.

Bolton Council’s traffic matters licensing sub-committee imposed the penalties at a town hall meeting earlier this week.

Members heard a private hire driver was caught breaking the speed limit on a motor in November last year.

They acknowledged the driver had declared his conviction as required by the conditions of his licence. But the driver had previously appeared before the committee in April 2011 in connection with three other offences.

The panel imposed a hit with a two-week suspension, noting that “drivers have a duty to adhere to speed limits at all times and exceeding them can be a real danger to public safety.”

A second private hire driver was suspended for four weeks. He had committed two “minor and intermediate offences” in August and December last year, including exceeding the passenger vehicle speed limit.

But members were concerned he had failed to declare either of the convictions and felt the offences occurring within four months of each other — suggested he was “developing a pattern of bad driving habits”. But the panel also renewed two private hire vehicle licences after finding the drivers to be “fit and proper persons”.
Author:  StuartW [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
Quote:
...including exceeding the passenger vehicle speed limit.


It's that 'passenger vehicle speed limit' again.

That presumably means it's some kind of minibus and they're limited to 50 on a normal 60 mph road, and 60 on a normal 70 mph dual carriageway??

Do other councils impose suspensions as short as two and four weeks? I can just hear Sussex now...
Author:  edders23 [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
I think you will find that all taxis/PH are required to stick to the speed limit according to T & C's attached to licenses so it might be referring to that
Author:  StuartW [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
edders23 wrote:
I think you will find that all taxis/PH are required to stick to the speed limit according to T & C's attached to licenses so it might be referring to that


:shock:

Suspect it's the SP40 thing specifically referred to in the earlier article in this thread, ie different speed limits apply to those classified as 'passenger vehicles'.

Quote:
Speed limits

These codes must stay on a driving record for 4 years from the date of the offence.

SP10 Exceeding goods vehicle speed limits 3 to 6 points
SP20 Exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods or passenger vehicles) 3 to 6 points
SP30 Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road 3 to 6 points
SP40 Exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit 3 to 6 points
SP50 Exceeding speed limit on a motorway 3 to 6 points


https://www.gov.uk/penalty-points-endor ... lty-points

In that regard I thought HCs and PHs were classed as standard cars, and I thought that included minibuses if they were licensed as HC or PH rather than as PSVs.

ie on the government's website normally HC and PH classed as:

Cars, motorcycles, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles

Therefore subject to normal speed limits.

But those classed as Buses, coaches and minibuses (not more than 12 metres overall length) are subject to more stringent speed limits.

So I assume the HCs or PHs Bolton are dealing with for breaking the 'passenger vehicle speed limit' are classed as a 'bus, coach or minibus' for the purposes of the law on speed limits.
Author:  grandad [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
StuartW wrote:
Quote:
...including exceeding the passenger vehicle speed limit.


It's that 'passenger vehicle speed limit' again.

That presumably means it's some kind of minibus and they're limited to 50 on a normal 60 mph road, and 60 on a normal 70 mph dual carriageway??

Do other councils impose suspensions as short as two and four weeks? I can just hear Sussex now...

The speed limits for minibusses less than 12 metres long are 60 mph on a duel carriageway and 70 mph on a motorway according to this government website. https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
Author:  StuartW [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bolton driver warned after declaring wrong speeding offe
So when is a vehicle licensed as an HC or PH (thus with eight passenger seats or less) classed as a minibus in terms of the speed limit regulations, and thus subject to more stringent speed limits than a bog standard HC or PH?
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