Taxi Driver Online
http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/

Conflict as St Andrews student page mixes taxi/lift-sharing
http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33044
Page 1 of 1

Author:  StuartW [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Conflict as St Andrews student page mixes taxi/lift-sharing

Controversy emerges in Taxi and Lift Sharing Facebook Group

http://www.thesaint-online.com/2018/07/ ... ook-group/

The St Andrews Taxi and Lift Sharing Facebook page, created by students of St Andrews, has recently seen members divided after new changes by its administrators and promotions of lift sharing. In an attempt to get to the bottom of these issues, The Saint has interviewed people on both sides of the debate.

The St Andrews Taxi and Lift Sharing Facebook page, created by students of St Andrews, has recently seen members divided after recent changes by its administrators and promotions of lift sharing.

The drama began when student Samuel Yuen, or Sam, became an admin of the page in late June and started to propose adding the function of lift sharing to the page, which was originally only for taxi sharing.

However, Mr Yuen was met with opposition when many taxi drivers and other members of the group alerted him with their concerns, including the risks involved with lift sharing, security issues, and the driving experience.

In an attempt to get to the bottom of these issues and understand both sides, The Saint has interview both Mr Yuen and a leading taxi driver in the town.

Frank Bissett owns Univercity Taxis in St Andrews, a taxi sharing service for students which has been running for over eight years.

Of the changes to the page, he said, “Car sharing is totally legal, and … we have nothing against it. It happens, it will always happen. But you have to draw the line obviously with car sharing [and] taxi sharing as two separate things altogether.”

Mr Bissett continued, “When the new admin of the group opened us up to car sharing, he’s opened up that group to anyone for car sharing with vehicles that are possibly un-roadworthy, drivers that are not checked and vetted by police council. So, the risks are very high.”

He also claimed that there are “a lot of fake profiles” in the Facebook group offering lift sharing, though this is not verified.

Mr Yuen contrastingly emphasised the benefits of lift sharing for students, particularly the low cost in comparison with taxi sharing and parking issues. Compared with taxi sharing, it is illegal for drivers to make profit from lift sharing. Instead, drivers can only charge for fuel costs, reducing the charge for passengers.

In response to proposed safety concerns, Mr Yuen has suggested that passengers verify the driver’s ID, license plate, and speak with their driver beforehand about any other concerns.

He said, “I encourage those of you who are getting a taxi or lift sharing service – you should always check the details carefully.

“We can’t take any responsibility for what happens between drivers and riders. Our only role is to make sure that they are advertised properly and lift-sharing drivers are not posing as taxi-sharing drivers.”

While both sides have proposed solutions to the issue, many members have been disappointed with how the page has changed since the lift-sharing debate began and have created their own page, St Andrews Students Transfers and Taxi Services.

They have used the Taxi and Lift Sharing page to promote their new group, but Mr Yuen has called the number of posts for the new group “spam” and has threatened to remove members from his group who advertise excessively on his page.

He claimed that on one day, he had to remove some 75 posts all promoting the same page.

Meanwhile, Mr Yuen has been called a “dictator” by members for his actions and changes to the group.

While creators of the new page feel they have a right to advertise to their market on Mr Yuen’s page, Mr Yuen feels they should work their way up.

He said, “If they want to start their own page, they start from scratch, they need to work the hard way up. We worked the hard way up for the past years and this is how we became so successful.

“If they are not happy with our changes, I would be more than happy for them to leave our page and start their own page and advertise their way up.”

Similarly, but from the other side, Mr Bissett argued, “The group was never intended, when starting off, to be a car-share group. It’s two totally separate things altogether.”

He continued, “What the admin should have done, we feel as drivers: advertise car shares, but do it in a separate group, not take over a group that’s already been established for taxi shares.”

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re:

St Andrews student lift sharing group accused of operating at a profit

http://www.thesaint-online.com/2018/09/ ... eculation/

Image
Image: The Saint

Samuel Yuen saw intense speculation and controversy from other taxi drivers after he tried to charge a student three times the cost of a trip to Edinburgh airport because it was outside of his preferred time slot.

The administrator of a taxi and lift sharing Facebook group has come under speculation after trying to charge a student three times the cost of a trip to Edinburgh airport because it was outside of his preferred time slot.

Samuel Yuen, a student at the University of St Andrews, runs the St Andrews Taxi and Lift Sharing group.

On the page he advertises times when he will do car shares to and from Edinburgh airport and provides a forum for others who offer the same service.

In late July, a student of the University, who wishes to remain anonymous, tried to acquire a ride out of the hours advertised by Mr Yuen.

Legally, a car share can only charge for the petrol used on the journey and thus make no profit. However, the student was asked to pay £30 when the ride had previously been advertised as £10.

The student eventually acquired a ride from an official taxi driver at £45 out of safety concerns.

Frank Bissett, the operator owner of Univercity Taxis, has expressed concerns about this practice.

He emailed fellow taxi drivers with screenshots of the conversations between the student and Mr Yuen and the student and the taxi driver whose offer they eventually took.

Mr Bissett said, “He [Mr Yuen] is offering options at a greatly increased price which therefore would be classed as hire or reward and not lift share, which I believe would invalidate the insurance on the vehicle he is using.”

He added, “We all know that any inexperienced driver on certain roads in Fife area are fraught with risk and no one would like anything to happen to the passengers or driver, but the risk exists and there would be no insurance cover if a claim was made.”

Mr Yuen caused controversy over the summer when he became admin of the St Andrews Taxi and Lift Sharing group as he expanded it to promote both lift sharing and taxi sharing.

Some were displeased with his management of the group and the lack of distinction made between the two practices, while others felt that the behaviour of some taxi drivers on the group amounted to harassment.

When asked for comment, Mr Yuen said, “This anonymous [student] has made the same case towards two authorities within the past two weeks and they have been resolved fully. No further action is taken by either of them after I fully explained my side of the story.”

Furthermore, he said, “I offered [the option] to pay £30 for three lifts, in other words the next two people who would ride with me would do so for free.”

When pressed on why this person had to pay for two other people, Mr Yuen did not respond.

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Re:

Quote:
Legally, a car share can only charge for the petrol used on the journey and thus make no profit. However, the student was asked to pay £30 when the ride had previously been advertised as £10.

The student eventually acquired a ride from an official taxi driver at £45 out of safety concerns.


That must have been some sort of taxi share as well - by comparison, the Fife Council set tariff is pushing £150, while the going rate for a car probably averages £90 or thereabouts.

Author:  Sussex [ Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Conflict as St Andrews student page mixes taxi/lift-shar

Shock horror a car share scheme is looking a tad iffy.

Who would have thought? [-(

Author:  roythebus [ Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Conflict as St Andrews student page mixes taxi/lift-shar

If anyone cared to look at various ECJ judgements over the years, they will know that ANY form of "fiscal activity" for giving lifts is hire and reward and the driver and vehicle must be properly licenced.

Anyone giving lifts on a regular basis for "petrol money" risks having their insurance invalidated under another case listed in the "court cases" section on here. A one-off lift for petrol money for a friend or family is ok, regular is not.

edited to add: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4022

Page 1 of 1 All times are UTC [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
http://www.phpbb.com/