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Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained baby
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Author:  StuartW [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:58 am ]
Post subject:  Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained baby

Hull taxi driver's anger as he's pulled over by police because baby was sitting on mum's knee in car

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hu ... es-1931027

Steven Leadley was driving on the A63 with a one-year-old sitting on their mother's knee

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A Hull taxi driver was told he would be prosecuted for something that is “completely legal”.

Steven Leadley, 64, was driving a female customer and her one-year-old child across Roger Millward Way on the A63 on August 15, when a police officer on a motorbike pulled the private hire car to the side of the road.

After the officer told him he was breaking the law for carrying an unrestrained child in the back seat, Mr Leadley was then told he should expect notification of his prosecution in the post within 28 days.

“I’ve been a taxi driver for 39 years and I think I know what the laws are,” said Mr Leadley.

“The baby was sat on the mother’s lap in the back of the car, and the law states that can happen up until the age of three.

'The law was never broken'

“The officer knocked on my window and told me it was an offence, and I told him it wasn’t. Then he told me he would ring me within 24 hours if he was wrong, otherwise I would be facing prosecution.

“I still haven’t received that phone call and nobody at Clough Road police station can get hold of any traffic officers.”

Mr Leadley went straight to the licensing department of Hull City Council, which oversees the rules and regulations of taxis and private hire cars.

They provided him with a copy of the laws stating taxis and private hire cars are allowed to drive with unrestrained children under the age of three if they are held by an adult.

He said: “I took the sheet of paper straight to Clough Road police station and they said they couldn’t get hold of anybody in traffic because they’re based in Welton.

“I went back the next day and they still couldn’t get hold of anybody, so now I’m awaiting prosecution for a law that was never broken.”

A summary of the seat belt laws for cars, taxis and private hire cars states for children under the age of three a correct child restraint must be used.

However, if one is not available in a taxi then the child may travel unrestrained in the back.

What the police say

A spokeswoman for Humberside Police said: "Our first consideration is always for the safety of those using and travelling on the region’s roads and our Roads Policing Unit have understandably stopped to speak to the driver on this occasion.

"On considering the circumstances of this particular case, there appears to be no specific offence under the road traffic legislation, or any contravention of the taxi licence conditions, of carrying a child under three years of age in the rear of a taxi and we will be contacting the driver to advise him accordingly."

Author:  x-ray [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained bab

"On considering the circumstances of this particular case, there appears to be no specific offence under the road traffic legislation, or any contravention of the taxi licence conditions, of carrying a child under three years of age in the rear of a taxi and we will be contacting the driver to advise him accordingly."

I don’t think he needs advising, seems to me to be a switched on driver who knows the law.

Author:  Coopers [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained bab

I reckon an apology is more appropriate than advice.

Author:  bloodnock [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained bab

Heres the Govt's rules on it:

https://www.gov.uk/child-car-seats-the-rules/when-a-child-can-travel-without-a-car-seat

Author:  edders23 [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained bab

At no point has any mention been made of retraining this officer

clearly this is an issue and should be done

Author:  grandad [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:57 pm ]
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We have had it several times here, especially when they are conducting the fatal 4 checks. One of our drivers was "spoken" to twice by the same officer within an hour.

Author:  x-ray [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained bab

We had a new driver a few years ago (hackney) he was stopped for using a bus lane. The copper told him he could only use the bus lane if he had passengers on board and, because he didn’t, he should have been wearing his seatbelt! I wish it was me he’d stopped, I would have re-educated him!!

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Traffic cop wrongly pulled Hull PHD for unrestrained bab

StuartW wrote:
A spokeswoman for Humberside Police said: "Our first consideration is always for the safety of those using and travelling on the region’s roads and our Roads Policing Unit have understandably stopped to speak to the driver on this occasion.

No your first, second and last considerations are upholding the law of the land.

The mere fact your officers are ignorant of the law is not a excuse, it's evidence that they are badly trained and badly managed.

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