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| Author: | StuartW [ Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hikes |
Struggling Plymouth taxi drivers 'better off on Universal Credit' https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... es-2407095 Cabbies on the rank along Raleigh Street reveal what it's really like trying to make a living in the trade in 2019 Disheartened Plymouth taxi drivers say life in the trade is so dire right now they'd probably be better off claiming benefits. Tensions are growing amongst city cabbies as they brace themselves for a big rise in the cost of working and keeping their cars on the road. Those who operate a Hackney carriage - a taxi you don't need to book in advance - are to be hammered the most; with proposed raises of about 96 per cent. But it's not good news either for private hire vehicles; which could force companies to hike passenger fees to cover extra costs. Plymouth Live went to one of the busiest ranks in Plymouth today - at the bottom of town along Raleigh Street - to find out what drivers thought of the proposed raises and how it might affect their lives. In full, a one-year hackney cab licence is set to soar by £114 from £210 to £324 and a driver's badge could set workers back £165 rather than £112. Ade Smith has been a driver since 2001 - and says it's never been as bad as things are now. "It's the most difficult it's ever been," he said. "I've been doing this for 28 years, and what we're earning now is less than minimum wage. About £5 an hour, not much more than that. "I rent my vehicle, and before you make any money, you've paying out £350 to £400 a week. "Yet the fares (which the council regulates) won't go up. We've had a 50p increase in the last eight years. We will just have to accept these raises." "The increases are absolutely ludicrous, horrendous...we're all up against it" ![]() Image: Plymouth Herald/Miles O'Leary Torpoint cabbie Kev Mann, 57, said: "The increases are absolutely ludicrous, horrendous. "I've got a family to provide for. We're earning less than minimum wage - I don't know how this will hit me. "I'm having to do extra hours as it is. "This January is absolutely dire - January and February are usually always the same. But it's bad. We're all up against it." Kev said drivers are also set to be hit with increased costs for new driver application fees and administration costs. "I'd probably be better off on benefits," he admitted. Others say there's little appetite to rally together and fight the plans, set to go before licensing chiefs on January 10 - two days time. John Turpin, 53, said: "The trouble is, a lot of the drivers don't stick together. "If they did, we'd probably get things done. As individuals, it's hard to fight changes. We're struggling. I've been out here for 20 odd years, and it's a struggle. "Obviously, if this goes through, I will have to accept them. I can't do a lot else. I'm too old to go into another job now." John said the council ordered drivers to replace vehicles that weren't EU energy compliant a few years back - which set them back thousands. "The council are coming out here making so many demands - yet we've got a job to do," he said. "I'm getting poorer by the day" ![]() Image: Plymouth Herald/Penny Cross Plympton man John Donald, 52, said it was a dire time to be an independent taxi driver. "We are getting poorer by the day," he said. "I started at 11am, it's now 3pm, I have made £21.30. We're all suffering at the moment, especially with the price of fuel. "The trouble is, when it involves the council, it's hard to fight them. When they say they'll put the fares up, that's what happens. "We've all got families and bills to pay." Another driver, who wished to remain anonymous, said it was unlikely the council would relax fare regulations enabling drivers to earn more. "It's shocking," he said. "But we have to accept it. Things are hard enough as it is." Pete Bailey, 58, of Crownhill, fumed that a party bus laid on for Pryzm clubbers was taking trade away from the taxi rank on Raleigh Street. "We sit here and watch the money being taken from us," he said. "It's about £1 to use the bus, yet if six people got in the cab they'd all pay £1 each as well." The Plymouth taxi licensing fee changes in full ![]() Image: Plymouth Herald/Penny Cross The planned changes, unveiled by the council's licensing department, would cover holes in the authority's budget. The black cab account has a deficit of close to £92,000, and while the private hire account is £14,000 in the black, it is argued fees need to raise to stop it going into negative territory. For hackney drivers, it's proposed that a one-year black cab licence jumps from £210 to £324 and a one-year driver’s licence - which they also need to apply for - goes from £112 to £165. A one year private hire cab licence for private hire drivers - those employed by a private firm - is proposed to jump from £117 to £170 with a one-year driver’s licence going from £82 to £120. Though some in the trade suspect council officials are attempting to claw back money they plunder taking drivers to court for disciplinary action. "The reason they're doing this is because they are taking people to court and keep losing," one disgruntled driver said. "It's losing them lots of money; so the coffers are empty." Among other uplifts are increases for new driver application fees and administration costs. And there is a proposal to charge £33 for a “spoken English test” for Hackney carriage and private hire cabbies. The proposed fee shifts are likely to be unpopular with drivers and passengers, if the experience in other cities is replicated in Plymouth. In late 2017, private hire fees were raised in London with the Licensed Private Hire Car Association saying it would drive companies to the wall and hit customers. The GMB union, which represents private hire drivers, said costs would have to be passed on to passengers in the capital. In Yorkshire, taxi drivers won a High Court battle against Wakefield Council in late 2018 after it shunted up fees. The changes come after Plymouth cabbies were ordered in early 2018 to smarten up and ditch jeans in an effort to make the trade look more professional. What Plymouth City Council has to say ![]() Image: Plymouth Herald/Penny Cross Plymouth City Council, in a report to its Taxi Licensing Committee, said that fees for licences should be set at a figure which will recover the full cost of the licensing administration including enforcement. “A new fees structure has been drafted,” the report said. “The recommended fees structure has been designed to achieve an accurate reflection, in the fee, of the true cost of the administration of different licence types; and bringing the Hackney Carriage account into balance by 2024 and ensuring the private hire accounts remain in balance over the next five years.” The report said that failure to bump up fees would mean the Hackney Carriage taxi reserve account is predicted to be in deficit by £92,000 and the private hire account is predicted to be in surplus by £14,000 by the end of March 2019. “The proposed fee increase to both trades is projected to ensure the private hire account sustains their balances without going into significant deficit,” the report said. “The Hackney carriage account will have a reduced deficit, however the fees will have to be increased again next year to ensure this reduction in deficit continues. “The aim is to get into a balanced account within five years.” The council said the impact of fee changes will be reviewed annually. The full report can be found here: http://democracy.plymouth.gov.uk/docume ... .12.18.pdf |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth drivers lament state of trade as council hikes |
Quote: But it's not good news either for private hire vehicles; which could force companies to hike passenger fees to cover extra costs. What you mean such costs as a livable wage? Heaven forbid. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth drivers lament state of trade as council hikes |
Quote: "This January is absolutely dire - January and February are usually always the same. But it's bad. We're all up against it." Bit early to tell, surely? When article published, just one of what I call a full normal January day (yesterday). The rest vary from year-to-year according to when new year's day/the holidays fall etc. Quote: "I've been out here for 20 odd years, and it's a struggle." I know it's no laughing matter, but that's an even longer shift than that Glasgow driver
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth drivers lament state of trade as council hikes |
Quote: "I rent my vehicle, and before you make any money, you've paying out £350 to £400 a week. Well the drivers may not be making money, but clearly the owners are. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth drivers lament state of trade as council hikes |
Plymouth cabbies to protest over planned hike in licence cost https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... ed-2467466 Hundreds are planning to unite and protest the increase in cost to licences, which could go up some 96 per cent ![]() Image: Plymouth Herald A group of 'around 200' cabbies are to band together at the weekend to form a protest over the proposed increases to the price of their licences. Plymouth Live has been contacted by taxi drivers across the city who are unimpressed with plans to hike the cost of keeping their cabs on the road. The planned changes, unveiled by the council's licensing department, would cover holes in the authority's budget. For hackney drivers, it's proposed that a one-year black cab licence jumps from £210 to £324 and a one-year driver’s licence - which they also need to apply for - goes from £112 to £165. A one year private hire cab licence for private hire drivers - those employed by a private firm - is proposed to jump from £117 to £170 with a one-year driver’s licence going from £82 to £120. But cabbies are uniting this weekend to stage a 'peaceful protest' over the proposed increases - although Plymouth City Council say the fee hike is still at the consultation phase. Jason says his licence is set to increase by 95 per cent if it goes ahead. The private hire taxi driver said: "We are all protesting this extreme rise. It's more outage than we're getting innage. "It's hard to make a living as it is. We want them [the council] to know we are sticking together. we are being forced to make a stand. A 95 per cent rise is unfathomable. "There have been quite a few taxi drivers who have said they aren't going to renew [their licences]." It's been arranged that drivers will meet at Home Park for a 1.30pm ride out on Sunday, which will see the cabbies drive en masse towards Royal Parade and back down it, where they will all split off again. One hackney carriage driver, who wished to remain anonymous, said: "We're holding a peaceful demonstration - hackney and private [drivers] united. "We can't in this day and age afford a 95 per cent increase." Flyers were sent to Plymouth Live ahead of the event this weekend. It reads: "A quick convoy of hackney cabs and private hire drivers to parade around the city centre to demonstrate our anger over the massive hike in licensing fees affecting both sides of the taxi trade." ![]() Image: Plymouth Herald The licensing committee document outlines that the black cab account has a deficit of close to £92,000, and while the private hire account is £14,000 in the black, it is argued fees need to raise to stop it going into negative territory. Among other uplifts are increases for new driver application fees and administration costs. And there is a proposal to charge £33 for a “spoken English test” for Hackney carriage and private hire cabbies. The proposed fee shifts are likely to be unpopular with drivers and passengers, if the experience in other cities is replicated in Plymouth. A Plymouth City Council spokesman said: “We operate two separate bank accounts for the taxi trade, one for Hackney Carriage and one for Private Hire. Both of these accounts are funded by the trade so as not to burden the council tax payer. “We have reviewed both accounts and are proposing adjusting the fees to ensure the full costs of running the service are recouped. Additional expenditure this year includes increased legal costs associated with Hackney Carriage licence review committee hearings, appeals against committee decisions and prosecutions. “If we do not increase the fees, the Hackney Carriage taxi reserve account is expected to be in the red by £92k. We have opted to narrow the gap over five years, rather than three or one years to reduce the impact raising the fees will have on drivers in the future. “The proposed rise in fees are still in the consultation phase. “They have been advertised and the taxi trade will have an opportunity to give us their feedback on the proposals by 30 January. The responses will be published as part of the committee report to be heard at the next available Taxi Licencing Committee meeting. “At that point, and depending on what is discussed, we will either continue with the fee proposals, or look at something more palatable to the trade.” |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth drivers lament state of trade as council hikes |
Quote: The private hire taxi driver said: "We are all protesting this extreme rise. It's more outage than we're getting innage.
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| Author: | edders23 [ Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fee hik |
The question should be WHY are the council unable to make ends meet maybe a small rise accompanied by some SERIOUS scrutiny of how inefficient that department is might be in order by the way where's Chris our Plymouth correspondent shouldn't he be filling us in on some background to all this ? |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth drivers lament state of trade as council hikes |
Quote: ![]() Image: Plymouth Herald For hackney drivers, it's proposed that a one-year black cab licence jumps from £210 to £324 and a one-year driver’s licence - which they also need to apply for - goes from £112 to £165. A one year private hire cab licence for private hire drivers - those employed by a private firm - is proposed to jump from £117 to £170 with a one-year driver’s licence going from £82 to £120. Jason says his licence is set to increase by 95 per cent if it goes ahead.” Not sure where this 95% figure comes from that they've used in both articles now. The four fee rises they actually provide figures for are around 50% max - you would think they would use the fee figures to support the 95% claim, which is repeated several times. Maybe the 95% figure is for a three-year licence, or suchlike, but looks like the usual case of taking the most extreme number and try to make it look representative of everything else. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hi |
If you are going to have a demonstration then don't have it on a Sunday lunchtime. Defo wishy washy IMO. Monday morning, or Friday evening if you are serious, but Sunday lunctime FFS?
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| Author: | Chris the Fish [ Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hi |
Well I am here and watching, keeping a low profile Edders. I was supported recently so I will support and take part with my colleagues. Sussex this is a "Shot across the Bows", escalation is already planned. I have no input on this or the escalation but it could get quite serious. I don't know who did the maths but it aint 95%. I hope it pushes unification of the trades with a Wakefield like outcome. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hi |
Quote: I hope it pushes unification of the trades with a Wakefield like outcome. Well let's hope so. Would have been better starting with a lunchtime/weekday drive around by the council offices. |
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| Author: | heathcote [ Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hi |
Chris the Fish wrote: Well I am here and watching, keeping a low profile Edders. I was supported recently so I will support and take part with my colleagues. Sussex this is a "Shot across the Bows", escalation is already planned. I have no input on this or the escalation but it could get quite serious. I don't know who did the maths but it aint 95%. I hope it pushes unification of the trades with a Wakefield like outcome. Think you should be pushing for Council to operate 5 different accounts as stated in the Cardiff case and be demanding a complete breakdown on licensing fees. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hi |
Huge taxi driver protest brings Plymouth city centre to a standstill Hundreds of taxi drivers have taken to the streets of Plymouth to protest against a planned hike in licence costs. Cabbies are holding a drive slow protest through the city centre from Milehouse Park and Ride. The planned changes, unveiled by the council's licensing department, would cover holes in the authority's budget. For hackney drivers, it's proposed that a one-year black cab licence jumps from £210 to £324 and a one-year driver’s licence - which they also need to apply for - goes from £112 to £165. A one year private hire cab licence for private hire drivers - those employed by a private firm - is proposed to jump from £117 to £170 with a one-year driver’s licence going from £82 to £120. But cabbies are uniting this weekend to stage a 'peaceful protest' over the proposed increases - although Plymouth City Council say the fee hike is still at the consultation phase. Jason says his licence is set to increase by 95 per cent if it goes ahead. The private hire taxi driver said: "We are all protesting this extreme rise. It's more outage than we're getting innage. "It's hard to make a living as it is . We want them [the council] to know we are sticking together. we are being forced to make a stand. A 95 per cent rise is unfathomable. "There have been quite a few taxi drivers who have said they aren't going to renew [their licences]." |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hi |
Article below has a video link showing the demo. https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... gs-2475052 |
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| Author: | Chris the Fish [ Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Plymouth trade to stage joint HC-PH protest over fees hi |
Sussex wrote: Article below has a video link showing the demo. https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... gs-2475052 Been there, seen it, done it.
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