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Author:  heathcote [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Hermes self employment deal
Hermes agreeing to pay self employed persons minimum wage + 28 days paid holiday has really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Owner drivers operating on a private hire operators circuit should be demanding the same rights as granted by Hermes to their self employed staff.
Author:  Midlife martyr [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
Do Hermes driver's use their own vehicles ?
Author:  sasha [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
heathcote wrote:
Owner drivers operating on a private hire operators circuit should be demanding the same rights as granted by Hermes to their self employed staff.
Indeed they should.
It costs nothing to go to an employment tribunal (for the owner driver) so nothing to lose but lots to gain.
Even better if you have the backing of a union - the one bringing all these claims (and winning) is the GMB. Leigh Day are the solicitors and can be approached directly, GMB costs £13.70 a month and you can lodge a claim immediately.
Author:  grandad [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:08 pm ]
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If any of our self employed drivers come and ask to be employees we would set them on straight away. We have no problem with this at all.
Oh and don't forget that if they are employees they should also be on a workplace pension scheme.
Author:  heathcote [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:25 pm ]
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Midlife martyr wrote:
Do Hermes driver's use their own vehicles ?



Irrelevant.
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
Midlife martyr wrote:
Do Hermes driver's use their own vehicles ?

Yes.
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
It's definitely an interesting move, and maybe a sign that Hermes have had legal opinion that's the way the Supreme Court will view things.

I see the deal is an opt in deal, but basically the drivers are doing the same job whether in or out.
Author:  Nidge2 [ Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
One lad round here isn't going to be very pleased, he does 4 hours a day and does anything between £80-£120 a day. If he goes Self Employed he's going to be worse off.
Author:  roythebus [ Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
the bus company I work part-time for these days no longer takes on self-employed drivers and haven't done for a few years. They will take on agency staff and staff from other companies by paying them through their full-time employers who then act as an agency.

I'm on a zero hours contract which suits me but I get pro-rata holiday pay per hour and a small pension contribution which is a bit moot as I'm on a state pension now! Zero hours is the new name for part-time or casual staff these days in the bus industry.

We get paid through breaks, paid from the time we book on the the rostered book off time which is sometimes beneficial as there's travelling time back to the depot which isn't always required.
Author:  edders23 [ Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
Midlife martyr wrote:
Do Hermes driver's use their own vehicles ?



yes there is an ex driver of mine that does Hermes parcels and gets paid around 70 to 80 p per parcel

Hermes pay piecework so how can they calculate minimum wage from that unless it is an estimate based on how long it takes to deliver a parcel.

Hermes business model is based on being the cheapest like uber, lyft and most PH firms to afford this they would need to raise prices and become less competitive and that raises further issues as many councils and the government would prefer taxi prices to be cheap as that fits the needs of their constituents

all this really does is muddy the waters further if they are serious about changing the status of workers then there has to be a new definition of what is self employment and I doubt any government would have the stomach for that.

Yesterday i went into my usual barbers for a haircut last time I paid £9.50 this time it was £11.00 that's a 15 percent increase because he has decided to put his staff on PAYE instead of the chair rental model

how many customers would we lose if we all upped our fares 15 percent
Author:  sasha [ Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Hermes self employment deal
If the drivers were earning a decent rate and not being exploited by barons, bases and the likes of Uber. If fares rose in line with inflation every year (not once in 5 or 8 ), and if drivers were'nt working longer hours for less profit none of this would be happening.

If a driver could go out and after 40 hours work make a profit of £500 (profit NOT earn !) they'd all be happy and not bothered about holiday pay etc. But when they do 70 hours and only earn £500 - then have to pay out over £300 in expenses to a base that imposes lots of rules then demands are going to be made. If you treat drivers as employees then you have to pay them as such, don't want to pay them...then let them get on with the job as they see fit - with a minimal amount of control.

20 years ago our flag drop was £2 and then £1.50 a mile. Now the flag is £2.40 and £1.80 a mile, and thats the council rate ! So 2 miles 20 years ago was £5, now it's just £6.

And some firms round here still operate at a rate of £2 + £1.50, and they wonder why we want certain benefits !?!!? :x
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