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Previous article about the age rule here, but this is a more general list of grievances.

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'Passengers will have to pay more to get a taxi...' - Cabbies warn of fare hikes as mass protest planned over new council rules

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/st ... rs-2616020

Cabbies claim the changes by Newcastle-under-Lyme Borough Council are 'Orwellian'

Taxi drivers are planning a mass protest against licensing changes they say will drive cabbies out of town and leave customers forking out more per ride.

Newcastle-under-Lyme Borough Council has been consulting on a new licensing policy for two years - but drivers say they weren't invited into the process for 13 months.

And even when they were invited, they were offered just a single two-hour meeting. They were told to put their issues with the 91-page document in writing to council bosses within six weeks.

After drivers then asked Newcastle MP Paul Farrelly to join the debate, they were offered two more meetings, lasting two hours each.

Now taxi drivers say they'll stage a mass protest outside the council's offices after March 14 if they are not listened to.

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Newcastle-under-Lyme taxi drivers Murtaza Alam, Tariq Mahmood, Shahraz Yaqub, Mark Beardmore, Sam Hashmi, Paul Wilkes, Abid Hussain and Glyn Cross. (Image: Joe Burn/Stoke Sentinel)

Drivers also claim the changes will reduce levels of service and safety for passengers.

The new proposals include asking drivers to switch to electric cars, a move they say is too expensive and will see their hard-earned cash lost to charging times.

They've taken issue with the age vehicles are allowed to be licensed from too.

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Newcastle taxi drivers' issues with the new policy

Taxi drivers claim to have the following issues with Newcastle Borough Council's new taxi licensing policy for 2019/20:

Operators claim they will have to keep logbooks of service history for self-employed drivers - at a great cost of time and effort to their businesses;

Vehicles can't be licensed past four years old for their first time and beyond seven years in total;

Switching to electric vehicles is too expensive and they'll lose money when charging;

A new type of testing system won't be as efficient as the Stoke-on-Trent College BTEC qualification they already have;

They don't like the penalty points scheme;

They say they'll have to wait between five and eight weeks for an appointment to renew their licences;

It'll cost customers more;

It will reduce service and safety standards;

It will send drivers out of the borough for licences.


Previously, an eight-year-old vehicle could be licensed. Now, the council have 'moved the goalposts' to seven years - but will allow electric vehicles to be licensed that are up to 10 years old.

A vehicle cannot be older than four years before its first licensed either - it used to be five.

They also claim the council want operators to start keeping service history details for self-employed drivers - a task they say would be a mammoth effort and extra cost to their business.

Trevor Colclough, of Sid's Private Hire taxi firm, said: "This is ridiculous as cars are getting better, not worse. Even the Government want to bring the MOT down from every four to every three years.

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From left, Trevor Colclough of Sid's Private Hire and Odgy Hammond, owner of Sid's Private Hire (Image: Joe Burn/Stoke Sentinel)

"It's not been a true discussion and we've not had enough time."

Mr Colclough added the new policy says drivers must complete a new kind of test - but there isn't any detail as to what kind of test - and drivers already have to complete a BTEC qualification with Stoke-on-Trent College.

He said: "This is the ancient borough of Newcastle-under-Lyme - it's not 1984. It's not some Orwellian borough, it's the ancient borough of Newcastle-under-Lyme and it'll never be 'Victory Cars' - it'll always be Sid's."

Drivers have also taken issue with a new penalty points scheme and the way appointments are made.

They say they'll have to wait for between five and eight weeks - which potentially leaves drivers off the road for months waiting to get their licences renewed - although the council say they'll be notified three months in advance.

Shahraz Yaqub, who represents the Stoke-on-Trent Private Hire Drivers' Association, said: "This is not London, this is not Birmingham, this is not Manchester. They really need to think about what they're doing.

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Shahraz Yaqub represents the Stoke-on-Trent Private Hire Driver's Association (Image: Joe Burn/Stoke Sentinel)

"This new policy will have a detrimental effect on the public as journey costs will be increased. Service will be reduced. In terms of public safety,that will go out the window because drivers will start moving and getting licensing from other authorities.

"The council really need to have a think about what they're doing all of this cost will be pushed on to the public.

"Newcastle is one of the cheapest for fares out of 358 boroughs, we are 357th. That just shows how cheap the taxis are within the borough. If they don't think this through, the trade and the public are going to be on the losing end.

"The councillors who are going to make this decision shouldn't be running away from the trade. They do not want to meet the trade. We request to speak to the public protection committee. Don't run away, don't hide."

Black cab drivers have echoed the concerns about increased costs and lack of engagement from the council.

A spokesman for the Newcastle Hackney Carriage Association said: "The taxi trade in Newcastle is a major employer in the borough, with over 1,000 people making a living from taxi driving or the associated ancillary employment. The proposed changes to the policy will make many of these people think about working within the trade."

Deputy council leader Stephen Sweeney, cabinet member responsible for taxi licensing, said: “The consultation on the council’s draft Taxi Licensing Policy 2019/21 runs until March 14 and, if drivers or representatives of the trade wish to submit their views and comments as part of that process, we would welcome them.

“The council wishes to be open and transparent, which is why we are giving people the chance to have their say, not just taxi drivers but customers as well, through the consultation which is on our website.

“Once the consultation closes, councillors will sit down and review the draft policy, taking into account all comments and suggestions before making any final decisions.

“Our priorities with hackney carriage and private hire licensing are protecting the public; prevention of crime; high standards of vehicle safety and the equality and accessibility of the service.”

Newcastle council bosses will vote on the draft policy for next year in April.


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I think throughout the country the councils want us all to buy electric cabs just at a time when business is down and poober is proliferating.whith no thought of cost or infrastructure and a choice of 1 cab on the market,which world do they live in?


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I think throughout the country the councils want us all to buy electric cabs just at a time when business is down and poober is proliferating.whith no thought of cost or infrastructure and a choice of 1 cab on the market,which world do they live in?



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They also claim the council want operators to start keeping service history details for self-employed drivers - a task they say would be a mammoth effort and extra cost to their business.

If only someone could invent a service book. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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I think it means for the Jobs done by drivers, not a service history for the vehicles.

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I think it means for the Jobs done by drivers, not a service history for the vehicles.



perhaps someone could invent a computer database which records and archives all jobs entered perhaps they could call it Autocab, Icabbi or Mercury

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perhaps someone could invent a computer database which records and archives all jobs entered perhaps they could call it Autocab, Icabbi or Mercury

Oi, stop trying to be as ironic and pi** taking as me. [-X

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Taxi drivers are not going to Newcastle-under-Lyme town centre TONIGHT in row with council

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/lo ... le-2651803

No taxis will operate in Newcastle-under-Lyme town centre between 11.30pm and 3.30am

Cabbies say they will be boycotting Newcastle-under-Lyme town centre tonight after a row with the borough council failed to come to a conclusion.

Newcastle Borough Council has been consulting on a new taxi licencing policy for two years - but drivers say they were only invited to take part late in the process.

Previously they revealed a number of major concerns with the 91-page document and threatened to go on strike should the council not listen to their issues.

Now, from 11.30pm tonight (March 15), until 3.30am tomorrow morning, no taxis - including private hire and hackney carriages - are set to pick up and drop-off in the town centre.

Andrew Hammond, owner of Sids Private Hire in Chesterton, said: "The council has come out with new rules that will affect us and cost us too much money.

"All of us will be going on strike, even the ones from Stoke-on-Trent won't be coming to Newcastle. No one will be going into or leaving the town between 11.30pm and 3.30am - it is a warning to the council.

"People will be sat outside the pubs and won't be able to get home. We have even put a warning message on our phone lines about the strike."

Newcastle Borough Council says it has received more than 400 replies from cabbies about its new policy.

Councillor Stephen Sweeney, Cabinet member for finance and efficiency, said: “Consultation is democracy in action and gives people the chance to influence decision making.

“The draft taxi licensing policy consultation, which ended yesterday, was originally intended to last for 12 weeks but was extended on two occasions, taking it to 23 weeks, after requests from the taxi drivers. The Council also met with them three times during this period to discuss a number of issues.

“It’s important to stress that no decisions have been taken yet. Approximately 400 consultation comments have been received and they will be considered by the Public Protection Committee in April.

“It’s very regrettable that the taxi drivers have chosen to take this action – the Council sympathises with their customers who will be negatively affected.”


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Now, from 11.30pm tonight (March 15), until 3.30am tomorrow morning, no taxis - including private hire and hackney carriages - are set to pick up and drop-off in the town centre.

Andrew Hammond, owner of Sids Private Hire in Chesterton, said: "The council has come out with new rules that will affect us and cost us too much money.

"All of us will be going on strike, even the ones from Stoke-on-Trent won't be coming to Newcastle. No one will be going into or leaving the town between 11.30pm and 3.30am - it is a warning to the council.

Will be interesting to see how solid this strike is - can't see it myself - HC *and* PH. And *all* operators? :shock:


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Now, from 11.30pm tonight (March 15), until 3.30am tomorrow morning, no taxis - including private hire and hackney carriages - are set to pick up and drop-off in the town centre.

Andrew Hammond, owner of Sids Private Hire in Chesterton, said: "The council has come out with new rules that will affect us and cost us too much money.

"All of us will be going on strike, even the ones from Stoke-on-Trent won't be coming to Newcastle. No one will be going into or leaving the town between 11.30pm and 3.30am - it is a warning to the council.

Will be interesting to see how solid this strike is - can't see it myself - HC *and* PH. And *all* operators? :shock:



there will be a few thinking kerching :wink:

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perhaps someone could invent a computer database which records and archives all jobs entered perhaps they could call it Autocab, Icabbi or Mercury

Oi, stop trying to be as ironic and pi** taking as me. [-X



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'Expect another weekend of taxi chaos' - Cabbies set to strike again in council row

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/st ... os-2657353

Staffordshire Police have waded into the debate after last weekend's issues

Taxi drivers have vowed to go on strike again if their demands aren't met by council bosses.

Friday night saw chaos in the Newcastle-under-Lyme town centre as private hire and black cab drivers refused to pick up passengers.

Cabbies are now planning further action if Newcastle Borough Council refuses to listen to their concerns with a 91-page taxi licensing plan that is set to be approved in April.

As well as drivers from the Newcastle Borough, those from Stoke-on-Trent shunned the town in solidarity with their colleagues from 11.30pm on Friday to 3.30am on Saturday (March 16).

Tariq Mahmood, Newcastle Hackney Carriage Association Chairman, said: "This was a direct result of the reluctance of Newcastle Borough Council to engage with the taxi trade and extend the period of consultation to discuss drastic changes to their Draft Taxi Policy.

"The action was very successful and there was little or no taxi service within Newcastle on the night. This resulted in problems for the public who were left to find alternative ways home, and the police who had many issues trying to disperse the night-time revellers from the town centre.

"On Saturday morning, I was contacted by the police and they requested a meeting with the taxi trade to discuss this problem and how this could be addressed."

Staffordshire Police chiefs Pete Goodwin and Sergeant Nathan Hough have now asked the drivers to delay further strike action on Saturday night to avoid a repeat of last weekend's chaos.

In return, they have assured the drivers they would write a letter 'as a matter of urgency' to council bosses - promising an answer by 12pm Monday.

The drivers have made three demands of the council:

    1 Take the Taxi Policy off the agenda of the Public Protection Committee (PPC) meeting on March 19.

    2 To arrange for a meeting between the trade, the PPC members, Newcastle Licensing and Staffordshire Police to discuss the issues.

    3 Extend or postpone the consultation period to allow for meaningful and constructive discussions to take place. The trade would ask that this be for at least 12 months.

Trevor Colclough, of Sid's Private Hire in Chesterton, said: "If not met, the action will continue next weekend on Friday and Saturday night until we get a decision.

"I'd like to add that anybody who was distressed or women were walked to the pick-up point outside of the zone to safety."

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Sids base operator Tony Walklate, driver Craig Hughes, and owner Andrew Hammond were among those refusing to go to Newcastle town centre. (Image: Stoke Sentinel)

The drivers claim the changes will lead to sharp increases in fares as well as reduced levels of service and safety for passengers.

The new proposals include asking drivers to switch to electric cars, a move they say is too expensive and will see their hard-earned cash lost to charging times.

Newcastle Borough Council has been contacted for comment.


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Amazed and pleasantly surprised the trade acted as one, and the 'strike' was successful in terms of what they wanted to achieve on the night.

Clearly time will tell if they get all they want, but well done for starters.

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Taxis bring gridlock to Newcastle-under-Lyme during 'go-slow' protest over council plans

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/st ... re-2664741

Representatives from the trade have apologised to the public - but insist the proposals would hit them hard in the pocket

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Taxi drivers brought Newcastle-under-Lyme's town centre to a standstill after forming a slow moving convoy as part of their ongoing protests over a council's proposed rule changes.

Both private hire and black cab drivers came together for the stunt on Tuesday afternoon where they slowly headed past Newcastle's bus station and the borough council's base at Castle House.

It came hot on the heels of action on Friday night where taxi drivers refused to collect passengers from the town centre.

The protests around the ring road were organised as drivers have accused Newcastle Borough Council of failing to listen to their concerns over a 91-page taxi licensing plan that is set to be approved in April.

They fear the new proposals - which include a point system before they lose their licence - could lead to increased costs that would have to be passed onto the customers. Other new proposals include asking drivers to switch to electric cars, a move they say is too expensive and will see their cash lost to charging times.

Representatives from the trade were locked in talks with the local authority during the protest which were described as ‘positive’ by drivers as the blockade caused chaos outside.

Cabbies’ horns blared outside the council building as shouts and horns from the general public stuck among them joined the noisy chorus.

The protest began at around 4pm before being called off at around 4.50pm. Within that time drivers clogged up the main arteries into the town – causing a gridlock that remained for about 20 minutes afterwards.

Among those taking part was Wes Condliffe, who invited StokeonTrentLive along to ride with him. The 40-year-old, a driver with Sid's Private Hire, said: "The council is wasting time, driving up costs and asking us to go all electric. Full electric vehicles can cost £87,000 and it’s taking eight or nine weeks just to get in to see the council to get your plates.

“There’s a bigger cost of the electric vehicles, which is going to be passed on to the customer. I fully appreciate why they want them but the technology just isn’t there.”

Mr Condliffe added that he won’t be renewing his licence with the borough, saying he’ll go to Stoke-on-Trent or Wolverhampton where costs are much lower. He continued: “If I take my operators licence away you’re talking £1,500 or up to £6,000 of revenue lost for the council.

“And I don’t think they’re that bothered about the loss of revenue. I’d rather spend my money here because this is where I’m from.”

Gaz Colclough of Sid’s Private Hire was present at the meeting with council bosses. He said: “We are sorry to the general public but we planned this at 4pm so it wouldn’t be too much of an inconvenience to people between the school run and rush hour and we called it off after an hour.”

Tariq Mahmood, chairman of the Newcastle Hackney Carriage Association said: “We hope that they will listen to us. We’ve given them our concerns and they have promised us they’re going to listen to us.

“They’ve given us another meeting before April 30 and if that meeting is positive we don’t want to be disturbing the public.

“This is being done in the interest of the public because ultimately the costs will be passed on to them. Most of our day trade is pensioners and we do not want to be hurting them financially.”

The borough council issued a statement during the protest. A spokesperson said: “The council is currently in a meeting with the taxi trade at this time and it’s regrettable this action has been taken.”

The drivers claim the changes in taxi policy will lead to sharp increases in fares as well as reduced levels of service and safety for passengers.


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Gaz Colclough of Sid’s Private Hire was present at the meeting with council bosses. He said: “We are sorry to the general public but we planned this at 4pm so it wouldn’t be too much of an inconvenience to people between the school run and rush hour and we called it off after an hour.”

See I don't get this 'we want to inconvenience people or traffic, but not too much'. [-(

From my experience you get nothing from half measures, do it wholeheartedly or don't bother.

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