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Author:  StuartW [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  UPHD claims TfL 'dodgy' in promoting KoL as 'career option'

Think the UPHD have a point here - can you imagine your council using resources to promote the trade as some sort of career option :-s

Obviously TaxiPoint thinks otherwise, though [-(


Minicab drivers launch attack on London regulators for supporting the promotion of “The Knowledge of London”

https://www.taxi-point.co.uk/single-pos ... -of-London

Private hire driver representatives have launched an astonishing attack on Transport for London for showing a perceived bias towards the taxi industry over minicabs.

In tweets made by the United Private Hire Drivers (UPHD) they suggest the regulators impartiality is being brought in to question by their support in the world renowned taxi examination “The Knowledge of London”.

Showing an FOI between the Licensed Taxi Drivers’ Association and the regulators the UPHD wrote: “Extremely dodgy territory for @TfLTPH (Transport for London Taxi Private Hire). One minute TfL supposed to be impartially regulating and enforcing competing elements of the trade. The next minute, in smoky backrooms, TfL is secretly promoting one side of the industry and pouring in marketing resources from public funds”

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Sadiq Khan, London Mayor, has publicly said that it will be in the regulators remit to raise the profile of The Knowledge of London and work with the taxi trade to help promote any ongoing or future initiatives.

Responding to a question made by Assembly Member David Kurten surrounding predictions over future new entrant levels to the taxi trade by 2022, the London Mayor said: “It is not possible to predict with any certainty how many taxi or private hire drivers Transport for London will license during the coming years.

“As I made clear in my Taxi and Private Hire Action Plan, I am committed to raising the profile of The Knowledge of London. TfL’s Knowledge team attended a number of events, including a range of careers fairs and school career events, in order to promote the Knowledge as a career option. You may have seen that the team recently attended a TfL careers army event for candidates who have left or are in the process of leaving the armed forces, where the Knowledge received a lot of positive attention.

“TfL has also finalised a brochure entitled How to Become a London Taxi Driver. The brochure includes specific case studies of a variety of Knowledge students from different backgrounds who have successfully gone through the Knowledge of London process. It also explains the benefits of becoming a London taxi driver and provides information on why our taxi drivers are considered the best in the world. This brochure has been made available to view and download on TfL’s website.

“TfL’s Knowledge team will be handing out the brochure at future careers events, and I encourage anyone else who has an interest in promoting our taxi trade to do the same.

“It is important that everyone within the taxi trade plays their part in helping to promote the benefits of being a London taxi driver to those looking for a new career. TfL is keen to work with the trade to help promote any ongoing or future initiatives.”

Author:  Sherbet Dab [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:35 pm ]
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The thing is spending is ringfenced in London. Taxi licensing cost £350 (i think) every three years which pays for the Knowledge examination, inforcement officers an other costs associated to the industry. The Knowledge promotion isn’t public money it’s ringfenced funds.

If the costs were being met by PH licensing funds then yes it would be an absolute liberty!

Perry (from TaxiPoint)

Author:  edders23 [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:49 pm ]
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are TFL simply trying to keep hackney numbers up to maintain numbers available at key locations etc.

If for instance visitors arriving in london cannot find a licensed Black cab is that not a problem for tourism which relies on iconic images to sell tourism ?

Author:  StuartW [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: UPHD claims TfL 'dodgy' in promoting KoL as 'career opti

Sherbet Dab wrote:
The thing is spending is ringfenced in London. Taxi licensing cost £350 (i think) every three years which pays for the Knowledge examination, inforcement officers an other costs associated to the industry. The Knowledge promotion isn’t public money it’s ringfenced funds.

If the costs were being met by PH licensing funds then yes it would be an absolute liberty!


Certainly good point regarding ringfencing - UPHD's claim that it's 'public funds' involved is misleading in that the licensing function is self-financing (presumably) and thus it's hardly the taxpayer who could be losing out.

However, think UPHD may be on stronger grounds regarding TfL's promotion of the KoL as a 'career option' - not sure if that would fall within its licensing function, or whether it might be considered 'ultra vires' in lawyer-speak.

I would certainly be unhappy if my council was to be promoting the trade as a career option, rather than just getting on with their basic task of regulation and licensing. (A different legal regime to that in London, obviously, but doubt if the fundamentals are any different with regard to this kind of thing.)

Of course, that's not quite the UPHD's point either, which is about regulating impartially rather than taking sides and promoting one sector as opposed to the other.

Author:  Sussex [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:20 pm ]
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I don't see what the issue is here. :-k

All the LTDA fella was on about was requesting some officials join a podcast in relation to the black cab trade and how to join it etc.

TfL have responded in the same way, I assume, as they would if the London PH trade asked for a podcast to promote the London PH trade.

Author:  StuartW [ Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: UPHD claims TfL 'dodgy' in promoting KoL as 'career opti

Sussex wrote:
All the LTDA fella was on about was requesting some officials join a podcast in relation to the black cab trade and how to join it etc.


It's not that a big deal, I suppose, but does seem to me to be crossing the line a bit between TfL's licensing remit and the wider issue of promoting the KoL as a 'career option', to use the mayor's words. To be fair, though, the mayor's position is perhaps more in the domain of politics rather than licensing, but who knows?

But all certainly goes beyond 'download an application form here' and 'guidance notes for applicants' that you might expect to see in a provincial LA? Can you imagine any local council attending school careers fairs promoting taxiing as a career option, for example? Can't think of anything I've seen approaching this, in fact the mind almost boggles thinking about it in the context of the average council :shock:

Sussex wrote:
TfL have responded in the same way, I assume, as they would if the London PH trade asked for a podcast to promote the London PH trade.


Not so sure, but if so then it all kind of reminds me of when Uber seemed to be getting a bit cosy with TfL regarding the vetting process, and effectively letting Uber self-regulate driver applications. Recall the Uber memo to TfL which said "[Uber] are looking forward to working [with TfL] to see how we can best streamline the PCO licensing process and deliver you high-quality, pre-screened applications."

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So what the LTDA are asking TfL to do sounds a bit like Uber asking for TfL licensing bods to be included on a video on Uber's website saying how fantastic it is to be a driver-partner, blah, blah [-X

Author:  Sussex [ Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: UPHD claims TfL 'dodgy' in promoting KoL as 'career opti

I'm absolutely certain that our council would be more than happy to allow licensing officers to assist in producing a leaflet, video, podcast etc etc promoting the hackney carriage trade.

Same would also apply for the PH trade.

Licensing fees are to be spent not just enforcing the trade, but dealing with the trade in whatever reasonable way the council chooses.

And surely promoting the trade to prospective entrants is as reasonable as one can get.

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