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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:04 am 
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Not a taxi licence, obviously, but it's local and the same committee that handles the taxi stuff. And quite interesting from a personal perspective, although I'm not saying why :-# 8-[


Man gets St Andrews street trader licence despite police objection

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/lo ... objection/

Emma O'Neill

May 14 2019, 8.42am


A Fife man has been granted a street trader licence in spite of police objecting to the move.

Alfred Petrie, an artist from Newport-on-Tay, has been granted a licence to deal art in St Andrews’ Church Square at weekends by the region’s regulation and licensing committee.

The committee heard that Mr Petrie pled guilty in January that he used threatening and abusive behaviour towards a young woman on a train to Edinburgh on July 11, 2018.

Sergeant Gordon Hood told councillors that the applicant was the subject of a report to police after striking up conversation with the woman in question on the train.

Sergeant Hood said: “He stated ‘This is going to be the best journey of your life, I’m going to draw you’. The applicant started to draw pictures of the female in a sketch pad making the female feel uneasy.

“The applicant then moved seats so he was directly opposite the female, asking personal questions including how old she was. She told him she was 24-years-old but it is alleged the applicant told her he thought she was 14 or 15-years-old.

“The applicant then drew an image in the sketch pad of two females hugging and told the female it was her and her sister. This caused the female to feel panicked and sick. The applicant then drew an image of a naked female looking in a mirror as seen from behind.

“The female had become frightened and the applicant asked if he had crossed a line. She replied that he had.

“The applicant then became aggressive, shouting, ranting, slamming the table. The female described feeling being frozen in fear due to his actions.”

However, Sergeant Hood stressed that the information provided was the woman’s account of what happened on the train, noting it had been vigorously disputed by Mr Petrie.

Mr Petrie maintained: “I’d like to make one thing crystal clear, that at no time did I say to a young lady that I thought she was 14 or 15 years of age. That’s got an inference that I was trying to groom a teenager or something. It’s nonsense.

“I was in conversation with someone and I gave her a sketch book that contained a relatively inoffensive picture of a nude lady from the back. That picture was not drawn on the train it was already in the book. I never drew any picture that was supposed to be of her or her sister.”

Convener of the board Carol Lindsay suggested Mr Petrie had appeared “quite aggressive” in front of the board, to which he replied: “I’m nervous, I’m not an aggressive person. It was a hot summer day and I might have been in high spirits.”

SNP councillor Lea McLelland also suggested that Mr Petrie’s behaviour had been “erratic” when Sergeant Hood was reading out the complaint.

“I do believe you reacted like this on that train that day and that would cause that girl to be in fear,” she said.

Councillor McLelland proposed that Mr Petrie not be granted a license, but SNP Councillor David MacDiarmid proposed an amendment to grant his licence due to it being a misunderstanding.

He said: “I think the most important thing is that he is an artist by trade which would explain why he was drawing in the first place.”

The amendment to grant a licence was passed eight votes to three.


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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 pm 
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Interesting that you need to be a fit and proper person to sell art in Scotland.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 10:49 pm 
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Interesting that you need to be a fit and proper person to sell art in Scotland.

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To sell art as a street trader, at least - I'm assuming he's got some kind of pop-up stall in town.

The street trader scheme is the same one used to licence the pedicabs, which grace our streets at least once or twice a year =D>


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:49 pm 
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Still seems very strange to me.

Licensing is all about safe guarding, so what safeguard issues are there in selling stuff in a market?

Yes I'm with everyone in that I don't want dirty pervs out and about, but surely even someone with a 100% pukka DBS could employ Jake the Ripper to sell stuff at their market stall. :-k

So what's the point?

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:10 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Still seems very strange to me.

Licensing is all about safe guarding, so what safeguard issues are there in selling stuff in a market?

Yes I'm with everyone in that I don't want dirty pervs out and about, but surely even someone with a 100% pukka DBS could employ Jake the Ripper to sell stuff at their market stall. :-k

So what's the point?


Well by the looks of it any *employee* of a street trader needs a licence too.

Not sure the precise reason why licences are needed, but if you look at the kind of activities covered (most obviously ice cream vans and burger bars outside schools) then that could provide an opportunity for grooming etc, or even selling drugs :shock:

There's also been stuff in the past about selling junk food near schools, and that sort of thing.

But more generally I think it's about public nuisance, noise from loudspeakers, litter, grease and waste from snack bars, obstructing the road, and mobile services like fish vans are only allowed to stop at one spot for 15 minutes, or they need a static licence, again presumably to prevent public nuisance etc. There's rules about not parking too close to a pedestrian crossing, for example, and more specific rules about mobile car valeting and wheelie-bin cleaning :-s such as not letting waste water ice up in winter or not suggesting the provider is endorsed by Fife Council (which presumably relates to the wheelie bin cleaning in particular).

Fortunately there's no need for a licence to sell newspapers, milk or coal =D>

Perhaps selling art isn't the most obvious example of something that needs licensed, but presumably they have to do it anyway if it's not exempt.

The guidance notes and actual conditions are on the application pack here, which provide a flavour of what it's all about.

http://publications.fifedirect.org.uk/c ... Trader.doc

But I'd just assumed there was a similar scheme in place in England?


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Well looks like he's lost the licence after all. But we don't know why. Because it's a secret :-$


Newport artist’s street trader licence suspended by committee at private hearing

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/lo ... e-hearing/

A Fife artist has been stripped of his street trader’s licence just six weeks after it was granted against police advice.

Councillors gave Alfred Petrie a licence to deal art on May 13, despite hearing he used threatening and abusive behaviour towards a young woman on a train, leaving her feeling “panicked and sick”.

Mr Petrie was called back before the same councillors at a special meeting of Fife Council’s regulation and licensing committee on June 24, however, where members decided to suspend the licence until its expiry date.

It is understood new information on the 59-year-old came to light after the original hearing.

After listening to a police report during the second meeting, which was held in private, members ruled Mr Petrie was no longer considered a fit and proper person to hold the licence.

The permit, allowing him to sell art in Church Square, St Andrews, at weekends, was suspended until February 12.

Details of the new information about Mr Petrie, from Newport-on-Tay, have not been made public, although it has been confirmed he was present at the meeting and had an opportunity to be heard.

Committee convener, SNP councillor Carol Lindsay, said she could not comment on the case as it was heard in private.

The committee was told last month that the trader had pled guilty in January to a charge that he used threatening and abusive behaviour towards a woman on a train to Edinburgh on July 11 last year.

During the original hearing, Sergeant Gordon Hood said Mr Petrie had struck up a conversation with the woman, telling her: “This is going to be the best journey of your life. I’m going to draw you.”

He said Mr Petrie moved seats so he was opposite the woman and began asking her personal questions.

“The applicant then drew an image in a sketch pad of two females hugging and told the female it was her and her sister,” said Mr Hood.

“This caused the female to feel panicked and sick.

“The applicant then drew an image of a naked female looking in a mirror as seen from behind.”

Mr Hood said Mr Petrie later became aggressive and was shouting, ranting and slamming the table.

“The female described feeling being frozen in fear due to his actions,” he said.

The sergeant added that the applicant disputed the woman’s account.

The Courier made a number of attempts to contact Mr Petrie following the licensing committee’s decision, but was unable to reach him.

At the time of the court case, he said the sketch book had contained a “relatively inoffensive” picture of a nude woman from the back.

“That picture was not drawn on the train,” he said. “It was already in the book.

“I never drew any picture that was supposed to be her or her sister.”


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Well looks like he's lost the licence after all. But we don't know why. Because it's a secret :-$

I suspect something else from his past turned up.

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It is understood new information on the 59-year-old came to light after the original hearing.

Maybe I should have read the article first, rather than SW's opening comment. #-o

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