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Author:  StuartW [ Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Coventry HCDs ordered from meeting as CAZ regs rubberstamped

Don't know why the Coventry drivers moaning about fees (last week) and green cabs (this week) when they're earning £65k per annum :-o


Clean air drive to hit taxis with further cost

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ ... y-16814819

Measures are being introduced to help reduce levels of nitrogen dioxide in the city

Coventry’s taxis must clean up their emissions as part of the city’s clean air fight, but fears have been raised over the significant cost to do so.

Coventry City Council's cabinet is recommended to approve new emission-based licensing requirements for hackney carriage and private hire vehicles on Tuesday, August 27.

Measures are being introduced to help reduce levels of nitrogen dioxide in the city. According to the government there is evidence that the gas can inflame the airways in our lungs and, over a long period of time, affect how well our lungs work.

People with asthma are particularly affected and it can also affect vegetation.

From January, only vehicles with Euro 4 engines will have licences renewed, and new applicants must all have zero emission capability.

All vehicles must have zero emission capacity from 2024.

The cost

Replacing cars to meet emission requirements would cost around £60,000 to £70,000, a council meeting was told last year.

But Coventry council is only providing funding of £2,591 to the first 60 taxis.

A further £7,500 is offered by the government towards the cost, but this only equates to around £10,000 – leaving a significant shortfall for taxis.

Shadow cabinet member for city services Cllr Tim Mayer said: “The fact we are only going to be helping the first 60 is incredibly insulting.

“We have over 1,260 registered licenced drivers.

“It is not enough. It is a token gesture.

“We can drive income to pay for this and at the moment we are hitting people who are trying to make a living.”

It comes just days after a council committee agreed to increase licence fees for the first time since 2009, with cabbies warning they can’t afford it.

Cllr Mayer added: “In light of the fact we have now put their operation costs up and taking some of them off the road, and the council are not properly finding ways to reduce the costs by licencing Uber, we could see our taxi trade in a difficult situation in the coming months and years.

“As a city council we should be supporting them, but all we have done now is increase their operation costs and we will be putting some of them out of business as they will not be able to meet these requirements.

“This is very short-term, almost a headline grabbing response to the pollution problem. In no way does it attack the real problem which is particulates.”

When concerns over funding were made at a scrutiny meeting last December, the council’s director of regulatory services Andrew Walster said Coventry was providing an “extensive” financial package.

He said: “It is possibly one of the most generous packages in the country at the moment because of money we have put in.”

Council officer Shamala Evans added on Friday: “There are other packages available from a finance perspective.

“The cost of replacing it depends on the model and what upgrades you have.”

Author:  Sussex [ Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Coventry cllr says 'insulting' to fund only first green

The cars they are currently driving would have cost between £30,000 and £45,000 at the time of purchase. Add the £10,000 they are getting from the council, and the less they will pay in fuel over the life-time of the vehicle, then IMO not much has really changed.

Other than maybe people might be able to breath a bit easier.

That said, if I was a member of the Coventry cab trade I would insist the council follow suit with the 100s of vehicles they run.

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Coventry cllr says 'insulting' to fund only first green

Cabbies clash with city leader as £60,000 emission change approved

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ ... r-16825979

Vehicle upgrades could cost £60,000 to £70,000 - money they say the trade doesn't have

Upset cabbies clashed with the leader of Coventry council after controversial new vehicle requirements which ‘could cut the trade in half’ were approved.

From January, only vehicles with Euro 4 engines will have licences renewed, while new applicants must all have engines with zero emission capability.

But it could cost between £60,000 to £70,000 for vehicles to be upgraded, with the council offering just £2,591 to the first 60 vehicles to help cover the cost.

It comes just a week after a 39 per cent hike in driver licence fees were also imposed.

The move was rubber-stamped at a cabinet meeting on Tuesday where a group of cabbies protested the decision, but were ordered out by leader Cllr George Duggins as public speakers are not permitted.

Speaking after the meeting cabbie Jaz Singh said: “They have increased our fees by 39 per cent and our income has dropped by 60 to 70 per cent.

“People cannot afford it. Come January a lot of us will be out of business.

“We have not got the time to do that in four months.

“What are we going to do? What will our families do? Pay £60,000 for an electric vehicle?

“Over 50 per cent of the black cabs will be phased out. They will be obsolete.”

The decision was unanimously approved by cabinet after a consultation.

But Mr Singh claimed many drivers would have ignored the consultation due to language barriers.

Deputy council leader Cllr Abdul Khan, who met with taxi drivers after the meeting and agreed to a further meeting to discuss concerns, admitted that new vehicle upgrade costs would likely force cabbies into “a tough decision”.

He said: “If you have got to spend £60,000 for a cab with no guarantee of the work it is a tough decision.

“We sympathise with the decision but we are doing that on the basis of hitting our emission targets."

Why are the taxi changes being imposed?

The council has said measures are needed to help reduce levels of nitrogen dioxide at a time the council is battling to overturn a government-imposed Clean Air Zone.

A council spokesman said: “The new policy is aimed at addressing the environmental impact of private hire and hackney carriage vehicles in the city taking into consideration the actions and timescales highlighted in the Coventry Air Quality Action Plan.

“The council is already working with local bus operators to ensure that all buses running services in the city are low-emission by 2021, and this proposed change in taxi licensing restrictions is intended to achieve the same impact on the city’s taxi fleet.”

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Coventry cllr says 'insulting' to fund only first green

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Speaking after the meeting cabbie Jaz Singh said: “They have increased our fees by 39 per cent and our income has dropped by 60 to 70 per cent.


So if they're earning £65k after income has dropped 70%, they must have been earning north of £200k previously :shock:

Author:  edders23 [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Coventry cllr says 'insulting' to fund only first green

StuartW wrote:
Quote:
Speaking after the meeting cabbie Jaz Singh said: “They have increased our fees by 39 per cent and our income has dropped by 60 to 70 per cent.


So if they're earning £65k after income has dropped 70%, they must have been earning north of £200k previously :shock:



I doubt it Coventry isn't exactly a place where the wealthy go and live it is very much a working class town.

Quote:
The cars they are currently driving would have cost between £30,000 and £45,000 at the time of purchase. Add the £10,000 they are getting from the council, and the less they will pay in fuel over the life-time of the vehicle, then IMO not much has really changed.


SO in this climate how easy do you think they will afford the HP payments on a 60 grand vehicle

Author:  Sussex [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Coventry HCDs ordered from meeting as CAZ regs rubbersta

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SO in this climate how easy do you think they will afford the HP payments on a 60 grand vehicle

Are things worse than in 2008/9/10 when most of the cabs they are driving were purchased?

I would imagine the finance options would be flexible, else LEVC wouldn't sell any.

Looking at the LEVC site it appears they want to sell cabs.

https://www.levc.com/pay-as-you-drive/? ... gIx3_D_BwE

Author:  edders23 [ Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Coventry HCDs ordered from meeting as CAZ regs rubbersta

Sussex wrote:
Quote:
SO in this climate how easy do you think they will afford the HP payments on a 60 grand vehicle

Are things worse than in 2008/9/10 when most of the cabs they are driving were purchased?

I would imagine the finance options would be flexible, else LEVC wouldn't sell any.

Looking at the LEVC site it appears they want to sell cabs.

https://www.levc.com/pay-as-you-drive/? ... gIx3_D_BwE



in 2008 they didn't have Uber sucking up all the trade :wink:

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