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This is mostly not about the trade, and in the national context an air of the 'same old, same old' about it, but a couple of important points about the trade that aren't addressed in the article. Particularly from the personal perspective 8-[


Cabbies and hauliers hit out at plan for low emission zone in Dundee

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/c ... in-dundee/

Dundee’s proposed low emission zone (LEZ) is set to reduce city centre traffic – but what does this mean for the city’s professional drivers?

From cabbies and hauliers to bus drivers, those who drive for a living still need to be able to access the city once restrictions on polluted vehicles come in.

They have warned of an adverse economic impact if they cannot.

Long-awaited details of Dundee’s LEZ were published for the first time this week.

An 80-page study commissioned by the council concluded that banning polluting vehicles from the area within the Marketgait was the best option.

Euro 6 diesel engines and Euro 4 petrol motors are expected to be the minimum permitted in the zone, set to go live in 2020.

However, for taxi drivers who ply their trade in the city centre, the proposal represents a unique challenge. They are expected to adhere to emission standards to enter the zone – and two of the city’s busiest ranks are inside.

Chris Elder, local taxi branch rep at Unite, said many cabbies don’t have – and can’t afford – cars that meet the standards.

He said: “We aren’t against the plan but there has got to be a bit of give and take.

“We buy our own vehicles and can only do that now and then.

“It’s different for council staff going about in their electric vehicles that have been paid for through grants.

“The government is going to have to look at giving us substantial grants. This is particularly going to affect the guys driving wheelchair taxis as their cars cost about £30,000.”

Drivers are set to be consulted via the taxi liaison group – but Mr Elder called for representatives to be given a voice at council committees where the plans will be decided.

“We need proper consultation with councillors and officers, and I would love to be at those meetings,” he added.

“We should be involved in any talks they are having, round the table with those making these decisions so they know where the taxi trade is coming from.

“They’ve got to make sure people are ready for this.”

Administration councillors in Dundee have hinted at expanding the LEZ in future – which could affect the legions of lorries that pass through the city.

Members of the Road Haulage Association (RHA) are set to meet LEZ officers next week.

Scotland policy director Martin Reid has concerns about a zone spreading out as far as Riverside Drive.

He said: “Everyone has the right to clean air – but the flipside is the introduction of LEZs is going to affect haulage firms.

“Asking businesses to replace their lorries – which are usually changed every 10-12 years – for Euro 6 diesel engines requires an awful lot of capital.

“It wasn’t so long ago the government was praising Euro 5 engines – so asking businesses to find another £80,000 per vehicle is going to be difficult.

“The shape of how we get about is changing dramatically.

“What we are asking for is that the restrictions are proportional to the problem.

“Dundee’s doesn’t have as much of an issue as Glasgow or Edinburgh – so make sure businesses can still operate.”

Local bus firms have vowed to work with the council on firming up the LEZ plans.

But David Frenz, operations director for Stagecoach East Scotland, warned: “We are more than willing to engage and work with all parties in improving the air quality throughout Dundee and the surrounding area, but bus use – along with other forms of active travel – should be encouraged and not restricted.”


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Chris Elder, local taxi branch rep at Unite, said many cabbies don’t have – and can’t afford – cars that meet the standards.

He said: “We aren’t against the plan but there has got to be a bit of give and take.

“We buy our own vehicles and can only do that now and then.

“It’s different for council staff going about in their electric vehicles that have been paid for through grants.

“The government is going to have to look at giving us substantial grants. This is particularly going to affect the guys driving wheelchair taxis as their cars cost about £30,000.”


So the saloon HC drivers like Mr Elder can't afford Euro 6 diesels (ie maybe six years old when the LEZ is implemented) yet transferred HC plates (whether WAV or saloon) are forced to run electric vehicles?

And *all* new PH plates have to run electric vehicles? (I don't think even hybrids are allowed)

Of course, as someone with an HC just a few months the wrong side of Euro 6 I'm inclined to agree with Unite, but it's the usual hypocrisy as regards what others are compelled to do by the council [-X

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The other main point for me from the article is from the perspective of an HC driver in a neighbouring council.

So I'll have to refuse a run to within the zone?

And a surprising amount of the runs I do (mainly late night stuff to the pubs, clubs, casino and lap dancing club) are either just outside the zone, or just inside it, particularly to the area close to the big roundabout that can be seen to the left of the graphic.

So suppose they're going to a place 60 metres inside the zone - do I just knock back the run, and thus lose out on a £40 run for a twenty five minute drive (having maybe been sitting on the ranks eight hours for £40, or even a lot less) or do I just say nothing, and dump them just outside the zone, but not quite where they want to go, and risk a kick off or non-payment?

And suppose they say they're going outside the zone, but on the way change their mind and want to go inside the zone?

A popular destination is the casino (aka all night drinking spot) which is literally the right side of the road as regards the zone, while another one (Club Tropicana/Fat Sam's nightclub) is more or less at the other side of the road but just inside the zone :?

Had one the other night who couldn't make up their minds where they were going, and this alternated between just inside the proposed zone, and just outside it. Of course, it wasn't a factor then, but presumably will be from next year sometime :sad:


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The problem is there's votes in anti pollution /pro co2 abatement policies and if we are honest we are all contributing to the problem A LITTLE so I think this is going to soon reach the situation of the towns and cities NOT having an LEZ will dwindle rapidly

we all do journeys to other towns and cities so it is something we have to look at. I just wish there was less of a straight jacket in terms of vehicle choice

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But David Frenz, operations director for Stagecoach East Scotland, warned: “We are more than willing to engage and work with all parties in improving the air quality throughout Dundee and the surrounding area, but bus use – along with other forms of active travel – should be encouraged and not restricted.”


In other words leave buses out of the legislation but hit the cabbies and PH who compete with us :sad:

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Euro 6 diesel engines and Euro 4 petrol motors are expected to be the minimum permitted in the zone, set to go live in 2020.

Euro six was mandatory from Sept 2015, Euro four was mandatory since 2006.

Thus any diesel under 5 years will be fine, and any petrol under 14 years will be fine.

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