Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:18 am

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:31 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 5662
Another hat-tip to TaxiPoint.

Thought this would bomb totally, but they've actually raised £460 of the £2,712 target after a couple of days :shock:


Dedicated Taxi & PH Policing in Glasgow

https://www.gofundme.com/f/dedicated-ta ... are-flow-1

The problem of private hire cars, from all areas, illegally picking up fares off the street (pirating) has reached epidemic proportions in Glasgow. Licensing’s Burgh Court sessions filled to capacity every week bear testament to this. Police have stated that fraud and sexual assaults are among the serious crimes recorded following illegal pick ups.

Convictions for no insurance leading to penalty points and fines are commonplace across the UK for illegal pick ups, except in Scotland. It is an unacceptable anomaly as the Road Traffic Act is UK wide legislation.

Despite consistent lobbying for action by the Glasgow Cab Section, Police Scotland’s Greater Glasgow Divisional Commander has continued the trend of sweeping the matter under the carpet. Any operations that have been reluctantly undertaken, have been carried out in a half-hearted manner with early finishes and diversions to other tasks being among the excuses for no results.

In the interests of public safety, Glasgow City Centre’s Area Commander has come up with a resolution of sorts, and offered dedicated officers to work alongside Enforcement..........if we’re willing to pay for them.

Whilst we believe you can’t put a price on public safety, the City Centre Area Commander has managed to. The cost will be £56.50 per hour, per officer (minimum of 2 officers) for a minimum of 6hrs per night.

We are therefore endeavoring to raise £2,712 to initially finance 4 nights of action.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:30 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 5662
A fuller report on this. Sounds like police not best pleased with this, and here they specifically say that no agreement has been reached to pay for specific enforcement measures.

Wouldn't be surprised if someone somewhere in the force came to some sort of agreement, but police now think it's bad publicity for them, so they're denying anything was ever agreed.

So instead we have the usual evasive blather about 'good working relationship' with the trade, and that 'everyone is made aware of their responsibilities' etc, etc.


Campaign launched to stop private hire car drivers picking up fares illegally in Glasgow

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glas ... e-17451292

Glasgow Cab Section of Unite the Union has launched a fundraiser after Police Scotland vowed to provide two specialist officers, provided the organisation pays for it.

A campaign to stop private hire car drivers picking up fares illegally in a bid to protect public health and safety has been launched.

Glasgow Cab Section of Unite the Union claims that Police Scotland will provide two officers dedicated to tackling serious crime committed by drivers, provided the cab section pay for it.

A gofundme page has now been set up by Calum Anderson, chairman of the Glasgow Cab Section, to raise £2,712 which would fund two officers for a minimum of six hours per night for four nights of action.

Glasgow Cab Section has been lobbying Police Scotland to take action to stop pirating, where a private hire car driver takes a passenger without pre-booking, to prevent further instances of fraud and sexual assault.

Getting into a cab without pre-booking also means the passenger and the driver are both uninsured during the journey.

In May this year a Glasgow City Council private hire car driver had his licence suspended after he was accused of raping a 16-year-old girl. The case is still ongoing.

Glasgow City Council’s licensing committee witnesses many cases of drivers plying for trade every week with culprits having their licence revoked or suspended as a result.

But the Glasgow Cab Section believes more action should be taken and that Glasgow and the rest of Scotland should follow in the footsteps of the rest of the UK, particularly Birmingham where those who are caught pirating are fined and issued six penalty points.

Mr Anderson said: “We have reached an epidemic which has resulted in the increase of serious crime including sexual assault.

“There is no deterrent to stop these people unlike the rest of the UK. If we can prevent one more life from being ruined by these people, it is well worth it.”

Chairman of the licensing committee councillor Alex Wilson says he will welcome any move that protects public health and safety.

Councillor Wilson said: “I am happy with the Glasgow Cab Section doing this but it should be funded by Police Scotland.

“They should be monitoring this situation all night particularly at this time of year when more people are out in the city centre than normal. I am in favour of anything that protects public health and safety.”

Chief Inspector Audrey Hand, area commander for Glasgow City Centre, said: “We have a good working relationship with Glasgow City Council and the licensed taxi trade.

“We have undertaken joint initiatives, most recently on Friday, 6 December as part of our festive campaign, and are committed to working with the council and wider partners to address concerns in the licensed trade in a proportionate manner.

“These operations include working with drivers and the public making use of taxis to ensure everyone is aware of their responsibilities and how they can make sure they are travelling safely.

“Our resources are deployed based on demand at any given time and where they are best served to keep people safe in the complex policing environment of Glasgow City Centre.

“There has been no agreement made with the trade to pay for police officers to carry out operations jointly with taxi enforcement.

“However, we will continue to work with our partners in this regard and once again I would state our commitment to assisting the council and other partners in a proportionate manner.”


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:33 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 5662
Glasgow Unite Cab Section wrote:
“There is no deterrent to stop these people unlike the rest of the UK. If we can prevent one more life from being ruined by these people, it is well worth it.”

Somehow doubt Glasgow is unique as compared to the 'rest of the UK'.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:16 pm
Posts: 158
Location: glasgow
StuartW wrote:
Glasgow Unite Cab Section wrote:
“There is no deterrent to stop these people unlike the rest of the UK. If we can prevent one more life from being ruined by these people, it is well worth it.”

Somehow doubt Glasgow is unique as compared to the 'rest of the UK'.


he means england,where councils and police actually do something about the pirating epedemic whereas here its fill your boots time while the police turn a blind eye

:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

_________________
i started out with nothing and ive still got most of it left


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:47 pm
Posts: 13881
Location: Stamford Britains prettiest town till SKDC ruined it
jozefbloggz wrote:
StuartW wrote:
Glasgow Unite Cab Section wrote:
“There is no deterrent to stop these people unlike the rest of the UK. If we can prevent one more life from being ruined by these people, it is well worth it.”

Somehow doubt Glasgow is unique as compared to the 'rest of the UK'.


he means england,where councils and police actually do something about the pirating epedemic whereas here its fill your boots time while the police turn a blind eye

:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:



NO THEY DON'T

_________________
Taxis Are Public Transport too

Join the campaign to get April fools jokes banned for 364 days a year !


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:51 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 5662
jozefbloggz wrote:
StuartW wrote:
Glasgow Unite Cab Section wrote:
“There is no deterrent to stop these people unlike the rest of the UK. If we can prevent one more life from being ruined by these people, it is well worth it.”

Somehow doubt Glasgow is unique as compared to the 'rest of the UK'.


he means england,where councils and police actually do something about the pirating epedemic whereas here its fill your boots time while the police turn a blind eye

:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:


Whether he meant England or anywhere in the UK except Glasgow doesn't really matter a big deal, I suspect.

I mean, by the sounds of what we read in the press Edinburgh is pretty much like Glasgow in the Scottish context.

Dundee doesn't have a huge private hire sector (numerically less than HCs), so presumably the problem there not so bad. But I recall something in the Dundee press a few years ago about the subject, and the trade complaining about official inaction. Police more or less said it wasn't a priority (so pretty much like police in Glasgow have said recently), although I think they changed their mind a bit and had some sort of one-off crackdown, but whether that had much affect I don't know.

But for years I worked HC in Fife and lived in Dundee, and when I came home in the early hours at weekend I was getting flagged down all over the place (which is why I started taking my roofsign off :shock: ), but over the years this dwindled away as the pubs and clubs started opening later (and all-night drinking was introduced) until it got to the stage that when I arrived back there were taxis queued up all over the place, and even when I left my sign on flagging became a lot less commonplace.

Which is digressing a bit, but the point is that there's maybe less opportunity for illegal PFH in Dundee, but I doubt if police there would be any more interested than those in Edinburgh and Glasgow, it's just that I suspect the problem is marginal as compared to the two bigger cities.

As for the rest of the UK, yes, some do undertake PFH prosecutions, but I suspect in the grand scheme of things this is just the tip of the iceberg, and it's nothing like the norm in England as Unite trying to portray it (and Edders, who'll know a bit more about what happens on the ground than me, would obviously agree with me on that point).

So I somehow doubt if Glasgow is really that out of kilter with the rest of the UK.

In fact judging by the newspaper reports posted on here I suspect Glasgow probably a bit more pro-active than most as regards action on PFH, although obviously that's at the licensing level rather than criminal prosecutions.

But I suspect prosecutions relatively rare as regards the UK as a whole.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 45019
Location: 1066 Country
Quote:
Police more or less said it wasn't a priority (so pretty much like police in Glasgow have said recently)

The problem is that what the police say, despite our deep reservations, is a statement of truth and fact.

Generally the police, and any authorities, will only be concerned with illegal plying/touting if the vehicle(s) is unlicensed (non taxi/PH). They would say that in a licensed vehicle the driver and vehicle are checked.

Now as a trade we can moan and groan about that, but I can't see a time when that ever changes. Apart from maybe in a dozen or so councils.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:50 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 5662
Sussex wrote:
Generally the police, and any authorities, will only be concerned with illegal plying/touting if the vehicle(s) is unlicensed (non taxi/PH). They would say that in a licensed vehicle the driver and vehicle are checked.


Which brings to mind the campaign that Unite Scotland have been undertaking with regard to plying for hire.

Can't recall if I bothered posting anything about it on here, but this is a graphic they've been using, and the text below it is from Fife Council's licensing page:

Image

Fife Council licensing wrote:
Unite the union has launched a winter public safety campaign – Know What You’re Getting Into – in the country’s two largest cities to coincide with the beginning of the festive season. The campaign involves highlighting safety through social media and leafletting throughout the cities. While only being circulated in Edinburgh and Glasgow, the message is still relevant and applicable across the country and especially in Fife given recent incidents.

‘Know what you’re getting into’ will remind the public of the practical steps they must take when using a taxi/private hire. When on the street a person must ‘hail’ only licensed taxis, and, if pre-booking a taxi or private hire, to only use licensed vehicles and operators. The public if in any doubt should also ask to see a driver’s taxi license identification number.

Branch members are sending a vital and important safety message to all who use taxi cabs and private hire vehicles during the festivities: “The message is simple: stay safe. We are urging all users of taxis to ensure that you pre-book your taxi cab or private hire vehicle, and if you hail on the street it must only be a licensed cab not a private hire car. If you have not pre-booked or you are not using a licensed cab you are just getting into a stranger’s car.”

Hoping all Fife residents stay safe this festive season.


But the highlighted part (and the essential point on the graphic) isn't strictly correct - if you get into a PHV that's plying for hire, then that's not the same as getting into an unlicensed car, because the PHV driver is licensed, and the vehicle checked. To that degree a PHD illegally plying for hire isn't a 'stranger' in a car.

Which relates to your point about the authorities not prioritising illegal plying for hire by PHVs because the driver is at least vetted and the vehicle checked.

(Ironically, I suspect the Fife post was made by our LO, who's a former police inspector, and will thus know all about policing priorities, or at least will have a much greater awareness than desk-bound bureaucrats.)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:52 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed May 16, 2012 6:33 am
Posts: 5662
Incidentally, regarding what I said last night about the plying for hire problem in Scottish cities, I suspect that in Dundee (as well as Aberdeen) a factor in keeping the problem at bay is that the PHVs and HCs there work from the same circuits, which maybe means PHDs less likely to take the risk.

(In fact I think the plying for hire issue was only really highlighted in Dundee when there was a standalone PH firm, and there was also a related issue about a couple of ranks they operated on private property and whether that amounted to plying for hire.)

And, of course, PH numbers in both Aberdeen and Dundee relatively low compared to most bigger cities (in both there are a lot more HCs than PHVs), which means the plying for hire problem will be less widespread.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group