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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:02 pm 
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Several issues covered in this piece, and obviously my thread title has (cynically) focussed on the operator's recruitment problems rather than the unlicensed drivers focussed on by Plymouth Live.

Thought at first that it was maybe intended to be one of those effective recruitment adverts masquerading as 'news', but on second thoughts I doubt somehow that there's much in here that would appeal to new drivers :?


Warning over cowboy taxi drivers operating in Plymouth

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... rs-3759638

Need-A-Cab? chief Dave McIntosh has urged authorities to tackle what he deems to be 'a growing problem'

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The boss of Plymouth’s biggest taxi company is calling for a crackdown on unlicensed drivers.

Dave McIntosh, head of operations for Need-A-Cab? taxis, is warning the public to beware of rogue drivers advertising on social media.

Mr McIntosh said the unlicensed drivers were uninsured and unregulated, which would leave passengers unprotected in an accident.

He also warned that people were putting themselves in serious danger by using ‘cowboy’ taxis as they had no idea who the driver was and no record of the journey.

Under the rules governing taxis in Plymouth, all licensed private hire and cab drivers have to have a full background check to ensure they are a “fit and proper person” to do the job.

Mr McIntosh urged the city council as the licensing authority to take action with the police to tackle what appeared to be a growing problem which was putting the public at risk.

He said drivers wanted to see a campaign to stop unlicensed drivers and protect the legal trade.

Mr McIntosh said: "The problem of unlicensed drivers is something we have become aware of in recent months and seems to have got worse.

"They are unlicensed and uninsured, and are offering to pick people up for cash, via most social media platforms.

"There should be enforcement action to protect the livelihoods of the licensed trade and to safeguard the public."

Mr McIntosh spoke out after councillors complained about an apparent shortage of taxis at nights, weekends and bank holidays.

At the same meeting the city council’s taxi licensing committee voted to start consultation on a second year of increases to some of the fees paid by drivers and operators.

One apparently unlicensed driver was advertising for customers in a comment on a post about the meeting on Plymouth Live’s Facebook page.

Two drivers commented that they had given up working at night because of damage to their vehicle and people failing to pay.

Mr McIntosh detailed his concerns about the situation for the taxi trade in Plymouth in a letter to the Plymouth Herald newspaper.

He told the Local Democracy Reporting Service that the main problems facing driver recruitment were the difficulties new drivers faced in terms of the cost and time commitment to get into the industry, and the increasing abuse and violence they faced.

He said drivers were questioning what the increasing fees were being spent on, and they wanted to see more support.

Mr McIntosh said: "There is a threat of verbal and physical abuse on the nights, mainly Friday and Saturday nights. Drivers tend to work the day shift and make their money, so they don’t have to come out at night."

He said there was also more of a risk of people refusing to pay, or vehicles being soiled or damaged by drunk people from takeaway food, vomit, urine or faeces.

Mr McIntosh said drivers were vulnerable at nights because of the perception that they carried cash, but Need-A-Cab? Taxis had tackled this and made it easier to pay by supplying drivers with card-readers.

He said drivers were facing increasing costs, and time commitment, to join the industry. He said it cost the company around £2,000 to train a new driver, which could take between two and six months, and the shortage could increase as a significant number of current drivers were nearing retirement age.

The proposed council fee increases would see the cost of a ‘new driver’ application rise from £85 to £137.

Mr McIntosh said some drivers in the city were considering a strike in protest at the proposed rise in fees from April 1, which on top of last year’s increase amounted to a 100 per cent rise.

He urged the drivers not to go ahead with a strike, warning that it would be counter-productive by harming customers who would be forced to use their cars or the bus, and drivers would lose income.

Need-A-Cab? Taxis based in Ham Drive was set up in 2011 by Mr McIntosh, 58, a former Royal Marine, and partners Huw Issac, 58, a former police officer, and Dave Evans, 59, who had many years of experience in the trade.

The company has almost 300 drivers and more than 40 office staff.

The proposed changes to fees charged by the city council include the annual hackney carriage vehicle fee going up by 8% (£342-£369) and the driver licence fee by 15% for one-year and three-year licences (£165-£190; £435-£500).

Hackney Carriages are the cabs which pick up from taxi ranks and can be flagged down in the street.

For private hire taxis, which have to be ordered in advance, the one-year vehicle fee would go up by 8% (£170-£184) and the driver fee by 12% for one-year and three-year licences (£120-£134; £300-£336).

The ‘new driver’ application fee is proposed to go up from £85 to £137.

Both categories of taxis are licensed and regulated by the city council through the licensing framework set out in the Plymouth City Council Act 1975. The council also sets the fares for the hackney cabs.

Any objections during a consultation period will have to be considered by the committee before making a final decision on the fees due to come into force from April 1.

Last year's increases of up to 80 per cent for some taxi fees were met with protests from drivers and the threat of legal action.

Councillors heard there were 1,200 licensed drivers in the city and there had not been a significant fall in numbers.

The proposed increases for 2020/21 are the second phase of a five-year programme to balance the books and avoid deficits in the taxi accounts.

Under the law governing taxi licensing, the city council’s service has to be self-financing and cannot be subsidised from the authority’s general income.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:07 pm 
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He said drivers were facing increasing costs, and time commitment, to join the industry. He said it cost the company around £2,000 to train a new driver, which could take between two and six months, and the shortage could increase as a significant number of current drivers were nearing retirement age.

My experience is the harder it is to get a license, be that in time or cost, the more a driver will earn when they get licensed.

And if there is a shortage of drivers, up the money they can earn significantly and you will have them queueing out the door.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:44 pm 
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He said drivers were facing increasing costs, and time commitment, to join the industry. He said it cost the company around £2,000 to train a new driver, which could take between two and six months, and the shortage could increase as a significant number of current drivers were nearing retirement age.

My experience is the harder it is to get a license, be that in time or cost, the more a driver will earn when they get licensed.

And if there is a shortage of drivers, up the money they can earn significantly and you will have them queueing out the door.

Our drivers earn the most in our town but we can't get drivers for love nor money. Well actually we haven't tried love.
We have the best rates in town by quite a way and customers are happy to pay them but it seems that most drivers prefer to earn peanuts and constantly moan about it. I was talking to one yesterday who says that after he has paid his car bills he takes home around £35.00 per week. I have offered him a free trial on our system for a week to see how much he can earn but he wont even try. What more can I do?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:32 am 
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Pay him £36.00 to give it a try?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:02 am 
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Well I have had enough with Plymouth.

My Plate expires in June and I will then Licence in South Hams.

Annual Plate in Plymouth (100% WAV) £391.00 and in South Hams £20.00 for a WAV.

The three year Driver Licence is slightly more than a third of the Plymouth price.

I have been absolutely honest with SHDC that my work will be predominantly in Plymouth, pre-bookings for wheelchair users. They are happy. I already do the opposite and take bookings currently from the South Hams.

This is only going to work as I specialise in taking wheelchair users. As far as I can make out, only 5 of us do this in Plymouth. Two others will be joining me when their plates expire. I haven't asked 1 yet, the other does wheelchairs but isn't for moving as he likes weekends on the ranks 8 obviously those of us changing will not be able to use Plymouth Ranks.

I will have to have South Hams Tariff in my meter, on journeys under 2 miles that is less than Plymouth. Over 2 miles and it's more.

My intention is to use the meter on all journeys. All my regular passengers are 100% supportive.

After 18 years as Plymouth Hackney Driver, a shame that it ends like this. But Life goes on, just with a different Badge and Plate. Same job.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:01 am 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
Well I have had enough with Plymouth.

My Plate expires in June and I will then Licence in South Hams.

Annual Plate in Plymouth (100% WAV) £391.00 and in South Hams £20.00 for a WAV.

The three year Driver Licence is slightly more than a third of the Plymouth price.

I have been absolutely honest with SHDC that my work will be predominantly in Plymouth, pre-bookings for wheelchair users. They are happy. I already do the opposite and take bookings currently from the South Hams.

This is only going to work as I specialise in taking wheelchair users. As far as I can make out, only 5 of us do this in Plymouth. Two others will be joining me when their plates expire. I haven't asked 1 yet, the other does wheelchairs but isn't for moving as he likes weekends on the ranks 8 obviously those of us changing will not be able to use Plymouth Ranks.

I will have to have South Hams Tariff in my meter, on journeys under 2 miles that is less than Plymouth. Over 2 miles and it's more.

My intention is to use the meter on all journeys. All my regular passengers are 100% supportive.

After 18 years as Plymouth Hackney Driver, a shame that it ends like this. But Life goes on, just with a different Badge and Plate. Same job.

If you can't beat them, join them.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:02 am 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
Pay him £36.00 to give it a try?

I am offering him a damn sight more than that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:17 am 
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grandad wrote:
Chris the Fish wrote:
Pay him £36.00 to give it a try?

I am offering him a damn sight more than that.


Your guys are all on the books aren't they? There could well be a reason he'd rather stay self-employed. Or his current Op could be doing the whole "if you go work for Grandad, don't come crying back to me Rodders"


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:24 am 
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Karga wrote:
grandad wrote:
Chris the Fish wrote:
Pay him £36.00 to give it a try?

I am offering him a damn sight more than that.


Your guys are all on the books aren't they? There could well be a reason he'd rather stay self-employed. Or his current Op could be doing the whole "if you go work for Grandad, don't come crying back to me Rodders"

Our drivers have the choice of either being on the books, self employed, use our cars or use their own.
This particular chap has in the last year bought his own car and works independently doing his own bookings or off the rank.
I have offered him the chance to log on to our system and get work from us as and when he wants it at no cost for a one week trial and if he likes it he can come and work with us at a rate of 15% of the fare for any jobs he gets from us and he can continue to service his own customers.

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Karga wrote:
grandad wrote:
Chris the Fish wrote:
Pay him £36.00 to give it a try?

I am offering him a damn sight more than that.


Your guys are all on the books aren't they? There could well be a reason he'd rather stay self-employed. Or his current Op could be doing the whole "if you go work for Grandad, don't come crying back to me Rodders"



Lost a driver permanently recently for same reason he was told that if he came back to us and couldn't afford to insure his own car they wouldn't offer him a split purse drive the thing is he has a very bad accident history I checked it out with my insurance who said no they just decided he met the criteria and put him in a car if he has another prang that could backfire on them

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Suspect the council's response here could just as easily have been made in Fraserburgh. Here it's more a case of denying it's a problem, but I suspect the issue is pretty much the same - boy racers offering lifts via Facebook, probably technically illegal (even if it's just petrol money) but difficult to detect and enforce, but certainly not on the industrial scale claimed, either in Fraserburgh or Plymouth.


Council insists there are no cowboy taxi drivers in Plymouth

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... xi-3768162

Plymouth City Council has hit back at concerns from a taxi boss about 'cowboy' drivers he says are operating in Plymouth

Plymouth City Council says it has carried out investigations but found no evidence of illegal taxi operations in Plymouth.

The council issued a statement on the issue after a warning from a city taxi boss that unlicensed drivers were advertising on social media.

Dave McIntosh, head of operations at Need-A-Cab? Taxis, said people could be putting themselves at risk by using illegal operators.

The city council said it took allegations of rogue taxi drivers seriously and would investigate any reports.

It said there was a trend with teenagers offering lifts to personal friends on social media using the phrase “I am taxi-ing tonight”.

The statement from the council, which runs taxi licensing in the city, said: “Investigations and test purchases have been carried out where possible and none of these to date have been illegal taxi operations where the driver would require a licence.

“We totally support Mr McIntosh’s warning that people who use ‘cowboy drivers’ could potentially put themselves in danger, but we do not believe there are any operating in Plymouth.

“We do, however, take any allegations of rogue taxi drivers very seriously and will investigate any reports.”

The council said it had investigated a report last weekend of a private hire vehicle with an Oxford licence plate but there was no evidence it had been used as a taxi in Plymouth.

Mr McIntosh spoke out about the issues facing drivers in the city which had led to a perceived shortage of taxis at nights, weekends and bank holidays.

He said the rising cost of joining the trade was a barrier and drivers were reluctant to risk violence and abuse at nights and weekends.

The city council has been consulting on an increase in fees paid by drivers and operators due to come into force from April 1.

People can report taxi complaints to the city council on its website at www.plymouth.gov.uk/licensingandpermits ... complaints or by email to taxi.licensing@plymouth.gov.uk


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