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| Author: | StuartW [ Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal fees |
Revealed: Wakefield Council's legal bill for High Court taxi case https://www.pontefractandcastlefordexpr ... se-1891045 Wakefield Council spent £13,500 on its doomed legal defence against a case brought by local taxi drivers. The local authority was deemed to be overcharging cabbies for a trade licence by the High Court in December 2018, in what was viewed as a landmark case. That ruling was upheld by the Court of Appeal a year later after the council argued against the verdict. Figures released under the Freedom of Information Act have revealed £11,250 of taxpayer's money, plus £2,250 worth of VAT, was spent on legal fees for the case. After a conclusion was reached in December, the council accused the High Court of not offering enough "clarity" during the original ruling and suggested they had cost the council "time and money" as a result. Its defence was backed by the Local Government Association, which represents councils all over the country, many of whom regulated taxi licences in the same way as Wakefield. The local authority was charging £384 for a licence, a fee which included costs for punishing drivers who break the rules. But judges said that approach is unlawful and will have to change. Asked for comment on the size of the legal bill, the council said it had nothing further to add beyond its statement about the case conclusion in December. The Wakefield and District Private Hire and Hackney Carriage Association, which represents drivers, claimed the verdict would cost the council £1m in payments to drivers dating back to 2004. The council disputes that figure, however. What the council said when the case concluded in December Glynn Humphries, service director for environment, said: “The legal position as to where enforcement costs could be attributed was unclear and today’s judgement has clarified that the costs of enforcement should be met by the taxi trade through fees and should not be subsidised by the council tax payer. “We very much welcome the clarity from today’s judgement but are disappointed we didn’t get this in the High Court last year, which would have saved everyone involved time and money. “The council will now review our position in light of the judgement and set up a process to enable drivers to log any claims as easily as possible and try and ensure we assess the claims as quickly as we can. "We strongly believe that the £1million figure quoted by the taxi trade association does not apply to Wakefield at all. The fees were only applied to vehicles in January 2018 and charges were paused as we sought clarity from the court, which means that no drivers have been charged for this activity from December 2018. "Going forward we will ensure that all charges are set against the criteria confirmed by the court today." |
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| Author: | grandad [ Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
StuartW wrote: The local authority was charging £384 for a licence, a fee which included costs for punishing drivers who break the rules. But judges said that approach is unlawful and will have to change. So can a Council charge drivers for enforcement or not? |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
grandad wrote: StuartW wrote: The local authority was charging £384 for a licence, a fee which included costs for punishing drivers who break the rules. But judges said that approach is unlawful and will have to change. So can a Council charge drivers for enforcement or not? we did have a thread on this case but can't remember seeing the outcome |
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| Author: | mancityfan [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
grandad wrote: StuartW wrote: The local authority was charging £384 for a licence, a fee which included costs for punishing drivers who break the rules. But judges said that approach is unlawful and will have to change. So can a Council charge drivers for enforcement or not? councils cannot charge for enforcement on drivers or operators. |
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| Author: | heathcote [ Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
mancityfan wrote: grandad wrote: StuartW wrote: The local authority was charging £384 for a licence, a fee which included costs for punishing drivers who break the rules. But judges said that approach is unlawful and will have to change. So can a Council charge drivers for enforcement or not? councils cannot charge for enforcement on drivers or operators. They can charge drivers according to the appeal court judge. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
Quote: Figures released under the Freedom of Information Act have revealed £11,250 of taxpayer's money, plus £2,250 worth of VAT, was spent on legal fees for the case. And how much on internal lawyers/LOs etc? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
Quote: councils cannot charge for enforcement on drivers or operators. Doesn't the Wakefield judgement say otherwise? |
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| Author: | grandad [ Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
Sussex wrote: Quote: councils cannot charge for enforcement on drivers or operators. Doesn't the Wakefield judgement say otherwise? This post is about the Wakefield judgement and the first post suggests that the drivers can claim compensation from Wakefield Council for being charged for enforcement. |
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| Author: | mancityfan [ Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
Sussex wrote: Quote: councils cannot charge for enforcement on drivers or operators. Doesn't the Wakefield judgement say otherwise? Sorry I was in a hurry, probably should have said councils cannot charge for enforcement on drivers or operators to vehicle license fee, which is what the case is about, drivers weren’t represented so the judge ruled that drivers can be charged for there enforcement, But personally I don’t think they can, it’s a shame they weren’t represented, but at least it clarifies that they have to keep separate accounts. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Doomed Wakefield Council fees case cost £13.5k in legal |
Quote: But personally I don’t think they can, it’s a shame they weren’t represented, but at least it clarifies that they have to keep separate accounts. I agree 100% with that. Reason being that drivers have no legal avenue to object to driver's licensing fees, and IMO the judges shouldn't have changed the law without hearing both sides of the issue. |
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