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Author:  StuartW [ Mon May 11, 2020 2:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Nottingham HCDs fear 'not earning a penny' for six months

Nottingham's taxi drivers fear their business won't return for the 'rest of the year'

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/not ... ss-4113544

'I'm worried that for six months I won't bring a single penny home.'

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Image: Nottingham Post

Taxi drivers in Nottingham fear trade won't return to normal for the rest of the year.

Some of the city's Hackney cab drivers have said they have had to delay repayments on their cars while they come to terms with potentially 'not earning a single penny' for six months.

Despite also feeling worried about recent revelations suggesting ethnic minorities are at greater risk of death from Covid-19, one taxi driver of South-Asian background has said he still wants to help others at a time when people must "come together."

Others have added that their main concern is bringing the virus home to their wives or children.

Chander Sood, a taxi driver of 26 years in Nottingham, is 61 and lives in Wollaton.

He is secretary of the Nottingham City Hackney Carriage Owners & Drivers Association and said: "The last time I worked was most probably March 18. We haven't received any income in that time so it's been hard.

"In a way we've been on the frontline with the contact we've had to have with people and with the NHS staff we help out with lifts.

"Our repayments on the cars we brought on finance have been put on hold for three months which is a massive help, but in the long run we are paying more.

"I'm lucky because my wife and sons work so our house has still had some income. "

For Chander, his own health is less of a priority than his family's.

He said: "I think the majority of taxi drivers do not worry about their own health as much as their families. I just don't want to bring the virus home.

"My son is working towards his PhD and I wouldn't want to do anything to affect his future.

"It's been a hard time, like for any self-employed person, and it will take a while for things to go back to normal. I doubt it will be this year really."

Another taxi driver, Asif Maqsood, who is 43 and from Sneinton, is spokesperson for the Nottingham Taxi Drivers and Owner's Association.

He added: "It's a very difficult time right now. We only come out to do the free rides we are offering to NHS staff really and we've been doing that for 43 days now.

"I know a lot of colleagues who are struggling because we are self-employed. We are paying for our own petrol on free jobs too.

"It's so hard, the town is like a ghost town and after 7pm, there's basically no one out.

"I guess the vehicles are quite safe with the partition between passenger and driver but it is worrying to hear how Asian people are at greater risk it seems.

"It doesn't stop me helping others though, because we need to come together like that right now."

Vijay Sood, 71, a taxi driver of 19 years in Nottingham form Bramcote, said: "Our livelihoods have been messed up with all this. I haven't worked for six weeks now.

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Image: Nottingham Post

"It's so risky to think how easily we could pick someone up with the virus and bring it home.

"Personally, I feel that if you have a good immune system, you can protect yourself from the virus regardless of your ethnic background. Speaking about the virus racially, I fear it divides people.

"It will be Christmas at the earliest when things are normal for us. I'm worried that for six months I won't bring a single penny home."

Those who are self-employed - like Hackney carriage drivers - can apply for financial support through HM Revenue and Customs' Self-Employment Income Support Scheme.

Self-assessment tax returns dating back to 2018 must also be completed by applicants under guidelines.

The grant will consist of 80 percent of an individual's average monthly trading profits, paid out in a single instalment covering three months, and capped at £7,500 altogether.

Author:  Sussex [ Mon May 11, 2020 3:56 pm ]
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Clearly the issues being expressed by the trade in Nottingham are not unique, in fact they're mirrored throughout the UK.

Personally I don't think it will be as bad in 6 months time as it is now, IMO things will get better.

All being well ( [-o< ) leisure and hospitality venues could be open from July 4th, that in itself will breathe life into the night-time economy.

Author:  heathcote [ Mon May 11, 2020 4:35 pm ]
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The majority of Taxi proprietor/driver, most probably will not be eligible for support under the self employed grant scheme.

I would agree with the view especially after today's announcement not to use public transport which we are part of,that we could be looking at 6 months before we start earning again.It is now 9 weeks since I took a penny,but still have had to pay my fixed costs(license renewal & r/f tax) to keep my license intact.

Author:  grandad [ Mon May 11, 2020 5:16 pm ]
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heathcote wrote:
The majority of Taxi proprietor/driver, most probably will not be eligible for support under the self employed grant scheme.

I would agree with the view especially after today's announcement not to use public transport which we are part of,that we could be looking at 6 months before we start earning again.It is now 9 weeks since I took a penny,but still have had to pay my fixed costs(license renewal & r/f tax) to keep my license intact.

The definition of "public transport" doesn't seem to be taxis or private hire according to Wikipedia.

Author:  StuartW [ Mon May 11, 2020 5:18 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:
Personally I don't think it will be as bad in 6 months time as it is now, IMO things will get better.

Well I would hope so, since I haven't taken a bean since March :-s

Discovered that my hoarding instincts meant I had £100 worth of cheese in the fridge at lockdown, so suspect my biggest achievement in six weeks has been to send my cholestorol level through the roof 8-[

Author:  StuartW [ Mon May 11, 2020 5:20 pm ]
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heathcote wrote:
The majority of Taxi proprietor/driver, most probably will not be eligible for support under the self employed grant scheme.

How do you work that out? Looks pretty straightforward. As long as they've been declaring their income, obviously... :roll:

Author:  StuartW [ Mon May 11, 2020 5:22 pm ]
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grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:
The majority of Taxi proprietor/driver, most probably will not be eligible for support under the self employed grant scheme.

I would agree with the view especially after today's announcement not to use public transport which we are part of,that we could be looking at 6 months before we start earning again.It is now 9 weeks since I took a penny,but still have had to pay my fixed costs(license renewal & r/f tax) to keep my license intact.

The definition of "public transport" doesn't seem to be taxis or private hire according to Wikipedia.

Doubt if the Wiki definintion will be relevant to how they define public transport.

But I was assuming that public transport wouldn't include the trade, so to that degree would work in our favour. But nothing concrete at this stage, so we'll have to wait and see.

Author:  Sussex [ Mon May 11, 2020 8:25 pm ]
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StuartW wrote:
heathcote wrote:
The majority of Taxi proprietor/driver, most probably will not be eligible for support under the self employed grant scheme.

How do you work that out? Looks pretty straightforward. As long as they've been declaring their income, obviously... :roll:

Maybe in Mr Heathcote's manor they don't believe in tax returns, else as you mention it's a piece of pi** to apply.

Author:  Sussex [ Mon May 11, 2020 8:28 pm ]
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In respect of 'public transport' I don't think the gov is talking about us.

We all believe we are 'public transport' for no better reason than the transport we supply is used by the public. 8-[

But I think the gov mean buses and trains when they talk about it.

Author:  heathcote [ Mon May 11, 2020 8:37 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:
StuartW wrote:
heathcote wrote:
The majority of Taxi proprietor/driver, most probably will not be eligible for support under the self employed grant scheme.

How do you work that out? Looks pretty straightforward. As long as they've been declaring their income, obviously... :roll:

Maybe in Mr Heathcote's manor they don't believe in tax returns, else as you mention it's a piece of pi** to apply.



Numerous persons myself included file tax returns every year putting down all income,you are not eligible for business support if your profits are not greater than your other income,consequently persons in a similar position as myself are having to subsidise the taxi business to keep their license valid for the time being until we can begin trading safely again.
Unlike most remarks made on here about this subject you do not here me whinning about it.

Author:  Sussex [ Mon May 11, 2020 8:39 pm ]
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Quote:
Unlike most remarks made on here about this subject you do not here me whinning about it.

Thing is we can all moan, but we are all going to get what we get.

Or not as the case maybe.

Author:  StuartW [ Tue May 12, 2020 2:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Nottingham HCDs fear 'not earning a penny' for six month

Heathcote wrote:
Numerous persons myself included file tax returns every year putting down all income,you are not eligible for business support if your profits are not greater than your other income...

Obviously there are many different scenarios covering those who wouldn't be eligible, but the most obvious would be a part-time driver whose main income was elsewhere, most obviously a PAYE job.

Alternatively, a driver doing the job full-time might be generating more income from another source, whatever that might be.

But for the vast majority of full-time drivers in the trade, that will be their main source of declared income, so claiming should be easy.

So I don't doubt that some in the trade won't be eligible, but what I don't get is your claim that it would be the 'majority'.

Author:  heathcote [ Tue May 12, 2020 11:07 am ]
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Sussex wrote:
In respect of 'public transport' I don't think the gov is talking about us.

We all believe we are 'public transport' for no better reason than the transport we supply is used by the public. 8-[

But I think the gov mean buses and trains when they talk about it.



The DFT include TAXIS in the definition for Public Transport.

Author:  edders23 [ Tue May 12, 2020 1:37 pm ]
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heathcote wrote:
Sussex wrote:
In respect of 'public transport' I don't think the gov is talking about us.

We all believe we are 'public transport' for no better reason than the transport we supply is used by the public. 8-[

But I think the gov mean buses and trains when they talk about it.



The DFT include TAXIS in the definition for Public Transport.


But NOT most councils :wink:

Author:  heathcote [ Tue May 12, 2020 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Nottingham HCDs fear 'not earning a penny' for six month

edders23 wrote:
heathcote wrote:

The DFT include TAXIS in the definition for Public Transport.


But NOT most councils :wink:


Every Council has to have a Transport plan and TAXIS must be included within it,the criteria for the plan includes TAXIS are public transport.

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