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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:53 pm 
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Would a decision in favour of the drivers not affect the hackney carriage proprietor who allows a driver to drive his /her hackney carriage.
1847 Act states that the driver is in the proprietors employ.

Don't think the use of the word 'employ' in the 1847 Act has any bearing on the empolyment status question. The word 'employ' used more in the sense of 'use'.

But the HC question would depend on the precise circumstances. The HCDs on the circuits in both Dundee and St Andrews often do very few street hires, so they're effectively little different from PHDs.

And, as I mentioned earlier, some circuits own HCs, so obviously that would point away from self-employed status for the drivers.

And, if an HC owner-driver works for a circuit, is it really that different from Uber, particularly if they're on rotas, or whatever?

Then these owner-drivers take on drivers, and then work on the circuit, so there's a middleman between the driver and circuit which isn't relevant to the Uber scenario.

So what's the status of the middleman in the equation?

One quirk between the Dundee and St Andrews HC circuits was that in Dundee I think the tendency was for individual owner-drivers to take on other drivers for their car, so the relationship was more between them than between the driver and the circuit.

In St Andrews, the drivers who don't have cars tend to be more directly controlled by the circuits, rather than the individual owner-drivers, so that could well be a factor.

But compared to the traditional trade, the Uber relationship with the drivers is more uniform than the numerous different scenarios in mainstream HC and PH offices.


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This article was penned by Tom Vickers a Senior Lecturer in Sociology, Nottingham Trent University. He has also just published a report titled:

Decent and Good Work in the Platform Economy: Private Hire and Taxi Work in Nottingham

https://www.ntu.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf ... Report.pdf

Uber supreme court battle: even if drivers win, they need new laws to protect them

https://theconversation.com/uber-suprem ... hem-136450

The UK supreme court has just heard an appeal from Uber that has far-reaching implications for UK drivers and the wider gig economy. Uber wants to overturn an employment tribunal ruling from 2016, which improved the lot of its drivers by classifying them as “workers” instead of “self-employed contractors”.

If upheld, many Uber drivers can look forward to an hourly minimum wage, paid breaks, sick pay and holiday pay, and an average £12,000 in compensation for their past work – all provided they lodge a claim.

Drivers with other companies won’t automatically benefit from the ruling, though it will create a strong precedent for similar claims. The 2017 Taylor review of modern working practices highlighted the need to “be clearer about how to distinguish workers from those who are legitimately self-employed” as one of its “seven steps towards fair and decent work”.

Uber last challenged the ruling in the court of appeal in 2018, but lost the case. If it loses in the supreme court, the original tribunal finding should be implemented.

Many taxi drivers are in a very precarious position in their work, as both my research team and others have shown. Uber controls fares, aiming to be significantly cheaper than its competitors, and takes a 25% commission, which limits drivers’ earnings per mile. Our research suggests that after purchasing, maintaining and running their vehicle, some Uber drivers in England earn as little as £5 an hour.

Some of our industry participants suggested that Uber has contributed to a systematic oversupply of drivers by attempting to ensure a driver is available whenever required. Local private-hire competitors have adopted some of the American company’s practices, such as offering bookings via an app, although their relationship with drivers was described to us as less impersonal. Other international private-hire platforms like Ola, Bolt and Kapten are also entering the British market.

We found indications that the increasing number of drivers has combined with low earnings to lead some private-hire drivers to illegally “ply for hire”: they pick up fares without a pre-booking, which invalidates their insurance. This increases competition for Hackney drivers, some of whom said they now work significantly longer hours to survive. Forcing Uber to guarantee an hourly minimum wage may help by removing its incentive to recruit so many drivers.

Beyond the immediate implications of the ruling, re-designating drivers as workers would send a message that operators share some responsibility for drivers’ wellbeing. This particularly matters during the pandemic: male taxi drivers and chauffeurs in England and Wales are among those most severely affected by COVID-19, dying at over three times the average rate.

Drivers were permitted to work during the lockdown and played an important role in transporting key workers and patients. Yet it was left to local authorities and operators to set any rules around drivers and passengers wearing personal protective equipment.

Requirements for wearing masks on public transport do not apply to private hire cars or Hackneys in England, unlike in Scotland. Drivers can refuse passengers without masks, but risk receiving a poor app rating or complaints to the operator, jeopardising future work.

Due to their self-employed status, drivers only became entitled to government financial support from June, several months after employees. Even then, there have been suggestions that many still don’t qualify – for example, if they derive less than half their income from self-employment or became self-employed after April 6.

The only institutions that acknowledge responsibility for drivers’ welfare are their trade unions, associations and cooperatives. Significantly, the legal challenge to Uber involves several trade unions, rather than being led by parliament, councils or operators.

Even if the supreme court rules in favour of workers – the decision is due in a few weeks – other factors that make drivers’ lives precarious still need to be addressed. Uber is facing a separate new action over its algorithm, with drivers complaining that there is little transparency about how it collects data about their work and uses it for things like allocating jobs.

Legislation governing the sector is also widely regarded as outdated, since it long pre-dates the Uber era, and is slowly being reformed. The sector was deregulated in 2015 to allow private-hire drivers registered in one local authority to operate anywhere in England and Wales. Our research suggests this has contributed to the over-supply of drivers in some areas, since they can obtain a cheaper licence with fewer restrictions from another local authority and use it to work anywhere.

This has encouraged divisions among drivers and made it more complicated for local authorities to enforce their taxi rules, since they have to liaise with the local authority that issued the licence. This could be addressed by changing the law to limit private-hire drivers to the licensing local authority. If local authorities could also cap the number of licensed private-hire vehicles in their area, as is already the case in Scotland, this could make a big difference to the over-supply.

Such measures carry risks, however. Some of our research participants suggested that working as a private-hire driver was the last resort for some people, so any licensing restrictions would need combined with creating alternative work opportunities and support to help people change career.

Finally, the legislation imposes conditions aimed at protecting passengers’ safety and welfare, and this could be extended to include drivers’ welfare. For example, it could enable them to complain officially over unfair treatment as part of their licensing conditions. Indeed, if drivers are overworked, underpaid and stressed, this has clear negative implications for passengers, so this is really part of protecting their welfare too.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:27 pm 
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Finally, the legislation imposes conditions aimed at protecting passengers’ safety and welfare, and this could be extended to include drivers’ welfare. For example, it could enable them to complain officially over unfair treatment as part of their licensing conditions. Indeed, if drivers are overworked, underpaid and stressed, this has clear negative implications for passengers, so this is really part of protecting their welfare too.

Couldn't agree more with that. =D>

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:30 pm 
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Very basic idiots guide to the hearing and the background to it.

https://www.legalcheek.com/lc-journal-p ... se-so-far/

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:22 pm 
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Interesting article from Forbes, which also links into the VAT/license not be renewed issues that Uber has coming up.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawki ... 9aec369737

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:16 pm 
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Uber's boss wants a third way for gig workers. :roll: :roll: :roll:

https://www.startribune.com/i-m-the-ceo ... 572076602/

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