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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:52 am 
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We've been sent a document which is a lengthy critique of taxi regulation in Edinburgh.

Haven't had a proper look myself yet, but defo looks well worth a read.

It's called "Edinburgh's Taxi Cartel: The Need For Change"

Enjoy :D

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/TNFC.pdf

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:34 am 
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TDO wrote:
We've been sent a document which is a lengthy critique of taxi regulation in Edinburgh.

Haven't had a proper look myself yet, but defo looks well worth a read.

It's called "Edinburgh's Taxi Cartel: The Need For Change"

Enjoy :D

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/TNFC.pdf


Obviously a lot of work has gone into this document and those gentlemen from Edinburgh who wrote it should be congratulated.

I hope the document is widely distributed to both media and politicians alike in order that they can read the alternative view to the policies they advocate? The media should be made aware how ordinary citizens are being subject to massive legal costs because politicians have intentionally chose not to administer the law as they are obliged.

I particularly like the mention of an arbitration system, it could consider whether a council has or is acting outside the law? However, there will always be an appeal to a court of law should either party disagree with the decision of the arbitrator so in that respect it wouldn't really change anything but I still think its an idea that could be built upon.

All documents have their critics and this one will be no exception but in my opinion it centre's on the truth, it is well laid out and it has taken a great deal of someone's time to write, overall it is a Good Document.

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If I were to say the words biased and inaccurate, I'd probably upset people :lol:

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Here's the answer to all your questions Captain Cartel :wink:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/TNFC.pdf

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captain cab wrote:
If I were to say the words biased and inaccurate, I'd probably upset people :lol:

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No you wouldn't, you would just not explain your comments as usual. Nothing new there.


Lets start with the £40,000 plate value were does it come from?


Or maybe the £300 a week rentals?


Or perhaps the shortage of available drives?





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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:28 am 
I'd prefer Captain Cab to answer the simple question why taxi licences, alone of all licensing types. are permitted to accrue an artificial "value".

As for biased, yes it probably is. I don't mind being biased because I am biased towards fairness, equality of opportunity and excellent customer service for all.


As for inaccurate. Where are the inaccuracies. Lay them out before us and let's get real debate going before the yaa boo boys take over.

In any case, this formal complaint has been laid before the OFT. Also, Scottish and UK Parliaments, the Council Ombudsman and a wide range of the press.

No doubt, any "inaccuracies" will be clearly highlighted and answered fully.


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What are the rules of the game, if I spot a flaw does it cast doubt over the rest?

Seems fair, after all, you use this against Jacobs.

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captain cab wrote:
What are the rules of the game, if I spot a flaw does it cast doubt over the rest?

Seems fair, after all, you use this against Jacobs.

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No ones interested Wayne you are so inured that nothing you say really matters. Why don't you ask your brother what you should do?

Jacobs is a joke you would have to be completely off your chump to try and defend it. All that is missing from it is every relevant piece of data that could have pointed to unmet demand.

Wayne take a day of get your brother to take you out to the seaside or something.

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Im going to the seaside this weekend thanks for your concern though. Why should I ask my brother? Which one? And what have they to do with this?

I take that as a 'no' I dont want any criticism then :lol:

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At fifty-two pages long and based on many of the findings of taxi driver online during the past few months, the document appears to be a synopsis, it’s a little like a compilation party album of TDO’s greatest hits only without any Birdie Song by the Tweets.

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captain cab wrote:
At fifty-two pages long and based on many of the findings of taxi driver online during the past few months, the document appears to be a synopsis, it’s a little like a compilation party album of TDO’s greatest hits only without any Birdie Song by the Tweets.

:lol:

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Is this the best you can do?


Shame about the funny guy routine it really doesn't work for you.


Come on Wayne what about the £40,000 just for starter's tell all Wayne.


I take it your brother's humour you a little.

I've got a friend who has a brother like you. He tries to help him but it just never seems to work out.

Perhaps you might want to give one of them or maybe all of them a call. :wink:

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The document is very much one sided, it makes serious allegations about both the Edinburgh Hackney Carriage Trade and City Council.

Page three of the document lays down serious charges, accusing the local authority and the taxi trade of operating a ‘cartel’ within Edinburgh. The question arises if the charges are true, then why has no litigation towards bringing to an end the alleged corruption not occurred?

The use of the term ‘cartel’ is obviously one designed to antagonise. On the face of it that’s exactly why the term is used in the document.

You would be mistaken in thinking that any explanation of precisely how Edinburgh City Council benefit from the alleged cartel is in the document, to this end readers are left sadly disappointed, despite pages 10 and 11 attempting to give the reader the aims and operation of the alleged cartel, it does very little to justify the claims beyond wild speculation.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:01 pm 
The claim is justified by the council operated quota system. Illegal.

What's in it for the council?

How about all the headlines the politicians have enjoyed as they've consistently rammed it up the trade over the years. Makes them sound great, except everyone else pays the piper.

And, how about the empire building and self importance of council officials. Remember them? Aren't they supposed to be serving the public. Except they do what suits them. When you sit in front of them and see how they operate you don't need convincing of this.

I just loved it today though. Seems the doc has crossed the issue of the latest council doctrine - the fare view, its attempt to inform.

Page 8 of the doc highlights the actions of Jim Muldoon, Scottish Taxi Federation Chairman. Seems the council have just confirmed what we say by announcing that Mr Muldoon is our representative on the Taxi Action Group which the council's short life working group to look at the demand for taxis in Edinburgh.

If Jacobs was a kosher survey, why the need for TAG.

And what benefit to logic and reason is there in having the Grand Wizard of the cartel, dedicated to keeping numbers down, examining the need for more taxis?


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The claim is justified by the council operated quota system. Illegal.


I'm sorry I dont understand this bit Image

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What's in it for the council?

How about all the headlines the politicians have enjoyed as they've consistently rammed it up the trade over the years. Makes them sound great, except everyone else pays the piper.


Errm, having trouble with this one too Image

and the rest of it to be honest

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So where do the italicised quotes come from then, or need I guess? :shock:

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