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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:41 pm 
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Obviously shouldn't be apportioning blame at this point, but when you read about an early-morning collision involving a taxi and a 20-something driver then it's easy to jump to conclusions.


Woman dies and two men seriously injured in tunnel crash

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... y-21883470

Queensway Tunnel remains closed as police investigate collision

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A woman has died and two men were seriously injured after a crash inside the Queensway Tunnel this morning.

The crash involved a taxi and an Audi S3, that was travelling towards Wirral, just before 12.30am.

The male driver and female passenger of the Audi sustained multiple injuries in the collision and were taken to hospital, where the woman, who is in her 20s, died.

The taxi driver, a man in is 40s, suffered serious injuries. He was also transferred to hospital where he remains.

The Queensway Tunnel - also known as the Birkenhead Tunnel - remains closed as police carry out investigations. Drivers are being advised to find alternative routes.

A spokesperson for Merseyside Police said: "We can confirm we are investigating following a fatal road traffic collision in the Queensway tunnel in the early hours of this morning, Sunday 17th October.

"Officers were contacted at 12.25am following reports an Audi S3, travelling towards Wirral, had been in a collision with a taxi inside the tunnel.

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"The male driver and female passenger of the Audi sustained multiple injuries and were transferred to hospital, where the woman, who is in her 20s, sadly died.

"The male driver, also in his 20s, remains in hospital in a critical condition.

"The male taxi driver, a man in his 40s, suffered serious injuries and is also in hospital.

"Next of kin have been made aware and are being supported by specialist officers."

Matrix Inspector Mark Worrell said: “Our thoughts go out to the family of the woman who died and those who were injured in this collision.

“The incident is currently under investigation and I would ask anyone who saw anything prior to the collision which could assist our enquiries to get in touch.

“It is believed that prior to entering the tunnel the Audi had been in collision with another vehicle on the Hunter Street roundabout. We are currently examining a number of lines of enquiry.”

If you witnessed the incident or have any CCTV, dashcam or other footage contact Merseyside Police on (0151) 777 5747, email: rpiu@merseyside.police.uk, or via @MerPolCC on Twitter, or ‘Merseyside Police Contact Centre’ on Facebook, with reference 21000720520.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:31 pm 
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Well the Metro has obviously made up its mind about who's to blame here :roll:


Woman dies after taxi smashes into her car in tunnel

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/18/queenswa ... -15440000/


But nothing new in the article, however it did draw my attention to this from the police inspector, which I'd kind of forgotten about:

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Matrix Inspector Mark Worrell said: “It is believed that prior to entering the tunnel the Audi had been in collision with another vehicle on the Hunter Street roundabout. We are currently examining a number of lines of enquiry.”

So the Audi had already collided with another vehicle before entering the tunnel. Yet once in the tunnel the Metro has concluded that the taxi driver 'smashes into' the Audi, and the woman dies as a consequence :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:47 pm 
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I can’t understand why the Mersey tunnels (and the Birkenhead in particular) has never had speed cameras fitted, it’s a 30 mph zone and no central barrier between the 4 lanes of traffic . I’m not a big fan of speed cameras but when they are there for a legitimate safety reason I have no qualms with them. Average speeds cameras would seem ideal.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:21 pm 
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very sad but it's a question of which vehicle crossed the line and that won't be revealed unless there is a court case

so many possibilities such as falling asleep at the wheel being high on drink and drugs or just excess speed causing loss of control

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:16 pm 
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Lost track of this one, but there's been quite a few reports on it, but mainly on the Birmingham Mail's website by the looks of it, because the 22-year-old victim Paige Rice was from Solihull.

But perhaps the reason for the numerous articles is both because of her age, and also because she looks like she should be a contestant on Love Island, or whatever. So there's lots of Instagram-style photos, Facebook tributes, and a GoFundMe page, etc, etc.

The GoFundMe page has raised £32k, including £5k from Jack Grealish.

But latest is that the 23-year-old Audi driver has also died, although he hasn't been named yet, and the report just says he's 'believed to be' 23.

The latest report also says this:

Birmingham Mail wrote:
The taxi driver, a man in his 40s, suffered serious injuries but his condition was not believed to be life threatening.



Paige Rice's boyfriend dies as taxi crash claims second victim

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/m ... ts-wrapper

He was critically injured in Liverpool collision that left 22-year-old Paige dead


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:16 am 
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Yet another piece on the Echo's website, the headline of which should be self-explanatory. But it says little more than that the driver is in a serious condition, but not thought to be life threatening.

But the bulk of the article is yet another rehash, with several photos of Paige Rice, numerous paragraphs of tribute, and the GoFundMe page is mentioned again. Some of the commenters on the Echo's website are a bit cynical about all this.

Indeed, even the strapline below seems to assume that readers know all about it already. I mean, it doesn't really make sense unless you already know it was a collision between a taxi and an Audi.


Update on taxi driver after Queensway tunnel crash leaves two dead

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... y-21932900

The driver and passenger, Paige Rice, of the Audi died in the crash


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:08 am 
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This again rehashes the whole thing and, despite the headline, is mostly about Paige Rice, with the obligatory photos.

But the driver is still in hospital after more than a fortnight, and still with the 'serious, but not life threatening' injuries.

And still no details released about the deceased male driver of the Audi.

But Paige's online funding appeal has now reached over £32k.

But, unlike the shedload of comments on previous pieces, seems the Echo has disabled them for this latest instalment :?


Update on taxi driver severely hurt in tunnel crash

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... e-22069785

The taxi driver, a man in his 40s, is still in a serious condition following a collision that also led to the deaths of a man and a woman


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:08 am 
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Yet another update, which is in fact just to say that the driver is still receiving hospital treatment more than a month after the crash (not sure if that means he's still *in* hospital).

But again many of the comments on the Echo's website are claiming that these updates are just to promote the crowdfunder for the deceased young woman Paige Rice.

And still questioning why no details about the deceased Audi driver have been released.


Update on taxi driver hurt in fatal tunnel crash

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-22276632

It's been more than a month since the crash that claimed the life of Paige Rice and her boyfriend


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:54 am 
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And still questioning why no details about the deceased Audi driver have been released.


probably because of police enquiries

and the other driver probably not made sufficient progress

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:59 pm 
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Taxi driver hopefully home for Xmas.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-22460684

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:47 am 
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Taxi driver hopefully home for Xmas.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-22460684



a nice Prezzie for his family

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:46 pm 
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Another rehash, and the same old photos of Paige Rice, but at least this time there is a bit of fresh news:

Liverpool Echo wrote:
Now a date for the inquest into Paige's death has been released by Liverpool and Wirral Coroner's Court. Her inquest will take place on Monday, January 31, at the Gerard Majella Courthouse in Kirkdale.

Inquests are conducted to look into the circumstances surrounding a death and should give the family answers on how, when and where Paige died.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... l-22794244

But around 50 comments on the Echo's website, mostly about why the deceased driver of the Audi has never been named.

Some obviously quite well informed, while others maybe not, including, for example, that the reason Jack Grealish donated £5k to Paige's crowdfunder was because the deceased driver was a footballer, or maybe a relative of one. Or that police are trying to cover up their own misdeeds in some shape or form :-o

One particular contributor called 'Mersey' seems quite well informed, and has posted quite a few comments - just four of them below.

But not sure if all this is conspiracy theory, or whether it's quite normal for police to withold a name in such circumstances. Well at least I suspect it isn't normal as such, but maybe police do have good reasons for witholding his name, other than the fact that he was a famous person, or a close relative of one :?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:47 pm 
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Boyfriend = 23 year old from Liverpool. Driver at the time of the crash was 27 year old from Manchester.

The police don't agree with the family over the age and identity of the boyfriend if he was the only male in the car.

Family claimed he was 23, police identified him as 27... friends didn't know of a boyfriend and no reference or pictures exist.

People want answers, not to find out who he was so much, but why police are trying to hide something.

That is what it looks like now. Was he a police officer or was the car stolen/cloned or involved in a pursuit, or was it a police vehicle? Was he involved in a criminal case with others that is still ongoing? I can not think of any valid reason not to name him. Can anyone else?


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The facts so far -

The family told the Press that the boyfriend was 23 from Liverpool and have never asked for that to be corrected. The police stated the driver was identified as being 27 from Manchester. So she either wasn't with the boyfriend in the car, or there was more than one man in the car and it took a while for forensic tests to see who was driving, or he has lied about his identity to the lady and her family. Her friends didn't know of a boyfriend and for someone that took lots of pictures of social events with friends, there was nothing.

What we all want to know is the reason for not giving the driver's name out? Why is he being protected?

Let's hope this isn't a cover up to protect the driver's family or police.


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I saw it when I drove through the next morning. The missing concrete, scrapes on the road, missing plastic panels, stained panels and stained road, outlines of what was on the road etc. Tyre marks, paint markers etc.

Hopefully the inquest will give the facts, no matter how inconvenient for people to hear. The accidents were captured on CCTV and the Coroner will watch those videos if they don't "go missing". It would be a criminal offence to lie about what happened to protect people or for the Coroner to allow anything but the truth to be reported.

I do not understand why the driver will not be dealt with at the same time to save public money and time and stop delaying this further. BOTH families will want closure, it's not all about one person as we don't know the real sequence of events yet. It is that sequence of events, association between people and question over the identity of the man driving that seems to be upsetting people the most.

I know the Press know exactly who it is, but have been asked not to say. If it was me or you that did something, it would be on the news.


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The taxi driver was named on a different page and probably wants to be left alone for a while to recover. He is the innocent victim in all this and was cleared by police of ANY criminal activity - but no fund for him...or the same story every week with adverts for one. Not everyone is motivated by money.

No one even wished him well apart from the police.

I hope he continues to recover and that people don't keep hounding him for exclusives or copies of his car camera footage.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:42 pm 
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there are many reasons the police might want his name left out of the papers

including the possibility he was working for them under cover

he was on the witness protection program

he works for MI5

he is a member of the royal family

OR they want to charge him once he is recovered and releasing details of his identity might prejudice the case against him

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:07 pm 
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OR they want to charge him once he is recovered and releasing details of his identity might prejudice the case against him

How would you suggest they charge him, then? Using a ouija board during a séance? :lol: :oops:

But, yes, thanks for your suggestions as regards why they're not naming the dead Audi driver, which are presumably not beyond the realms of possibility.

But I suspect the real reasons will turn out to be a tad more mundane :?


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