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Author:  StuartW [ Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access ban

Not that interesting, and drones on a bit, but I'm sure we're all affected personally by stuff like this :?

But interesting to see that the local council seem to be taking trade's side against county council [-(


Council urged to reverse Kettering street's 'extreme' daytime taxi ban

https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/ne ... an-3494935

Taxis can only use Newland Street at night, leaving disabled shoppers forced to be picked up elsewhere

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Image: Northants Telegraph

A move to ban taxis from a Kettering street during the day must be reversed because it is penalising disabled shoppers, councillors have argued.

For a number of years Newland Street, used by many as a rat-run, has been a pedestrian zone with buses and taxis allowed to travel through it at all hours.

But since August new rules and signs have been in place, warning taxi drivers they are now only permitted to drive through it between the hours of 8pm and 8am.

Tonight (Wednesday) Kettering Town Council will decide whether to lobby North Northamptonshire Council to reverse the decision immediately.

Cllr Clark Mitchell (Lab, Avondale Grange) has called on NNC to revert to allowing taxis to use the street at all hours, to allow shoppers with mobility issues to be picked up from and dropped off at popular stores including Iceland and Wilko.

He said: "As with a lot of things that happen the original idea came from a good place. Cars were using Newland Street as a shortcut through the town and it was a major inconvenience for the bus drivers and pedestrians. Something had to be done but this decision is too extreme.

"This motion is not about allowing taxis to use Newland Street as a shortcut. It is about providing the vulnerable residents of our community with the facilities they need.

"With the current ban on taxis using it in the daytime, residents who have mobility issues are being penalised. The Learning Centre, Iceland and Wilko are all used by many residents who would massively benefit from being picked up outside the entrance. This ban stops that happening. Taxis should be allowed to pick up and drop off in Newland Street."

North Northamptonshire Council say shoppers accessing the Newland Centre are able to do so via taxi by using the designated bays in Gold Street.

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Image: Northants Telegraph

But cabbie Jon Lott, from Premier Taxis, said: "A lot of our passengers are either elderly or in a wheelchair - how are they supposed to walk to Gold Street carrying six bags of shopping?"

Newland Street is now classed as a pedestrian and cycle zone with buses and loading vehicles only allowed to drive through it. Taxis, who previously had 24-hour usage of the street, are now restricted to 12 hours at times where virtually no shoppers will be there.

Cllr Anne Lee (Lab), who represents the Windmill ward on North Northamptonshire Council (NNC), said disabled residents have contacted her to say that they have no way of getting to the shops in Newland Street.

She added: "Decisions are now being made outside Kettering, so it is up to the unitary councillors to stand up against decisions like this one which make life so much harder for our residents."

An email sent by NNC's assistant director of highways Graeme Kane, seen by the Northants Telegraph, said the decision to make the changes was led by the former Kettering Borough Council and that there had been no objections in a consultation phase.

He said vehicles using the street during the day can contribute to traffic congestion at the busy junction of Eskdaill Street, Lower Street and Rockingham Road, because a vehicle movement in Newland Street triggers the lights.

Mr Kane said the decision to change the Newland Street rules was designed to address air pollution and congestion, as well as encouraging walking and cycling.

He admitted the scheme had had 'unintended' consequences for residents with particular needs and said it could be changed - but that permitting taxis to use it during the day is likely to 'undermine the original objectives to some degree'.

A NNC spokesman said: “Highways works in Newland Street, Kettering, have now been completed, improving access for cyclists and pedestrians.

“Proposals for the rejuvenation of Newland Street had been prepared over a number of years, working with businesses in the location to develop the scheme, including taking into account delivery times for retailers.

“The restriction of vehicles accessing Newland Street was implemented as a safety improvement as the route had been used as a rat-run.

“Shoppers accessing the Newland Centre are able to do so via taxi by using the designated bays in Gold Street.”

Author:  Sussex [ Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

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Tonight (Wednesday) Kettering Town Council will decide whether to lobby North Northamptonshire Council to reverse the decision immediately.

That council would have been consulted at the time the changes were being proposed, as no doubt where the cab trade.

One has to wonder if they both missed their chances then.

Author:  StuartW [ Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

A rare victory in scenarios like this, but the sting is in the tail insofar as those pesky PHVs are still excluded. But reads like they were never allowed access in the first place, so it's basically 'as you were'.


'Victory for common sense' as Kettering street's taxi ban reversed

https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/ne ... ed-3567909

Hackney carriages can now use the street 24 hours a day

The decision to reverse an 'extreme' daytime taxi ban in a Kettering town centre street has been branded a victory for common sense.

For years cabs were allowed to travel through Newland Street - used by many as a rat-run - at all hours along with buses, while cars were banned because it is a pedestrian and cycle zone.

In August new rules came into force, with taxi drivers warned they could only drive through it between the hours of 8pm and 8am. It meant shoppers who would usually be picked up outside popular stores including Iceland and Wilko would have to get to designated bays in nearby Gold Street instead or elsewhere in town.

The decision to reverse an 'extreme' daytime taxi ban in a Kettering town centre street has been branded a victory for common sense.

For years cabs were allowed to travel through Newland Street - used by many as a rat-run - at all hours along with buses, while cars were banned because it is a pedestrian and cycle zone.

In August new rules came into force, with taxi drivers warned they could only drive through it between the hours of 8pm and 8am. It meant shoppers who would usually be picked up outside popular stores including Iceland and Wilko would have to get to designated bays in nearby Gold Street instead or elsewhere in town.

But after pressure from local Labour councillors, who said the ban unfairly penalised those with disabilities, North Northamptonshire Council (NNC) has agreed to revert to allowing Hackney carriages to use the street 24 hours a day and has put up new signs.

Cllr Anne Lee (Lab, Windmill), was happy the ban had been reversed and described it as a victory for common sense

She said: "I am surprised it's taken this long - it's just amazing how much a story in the paper can do."

An email to Kettering councillors from council highways assistant director Graeme Kane, seen by the Northants Telegraph, said they would alter the signs after 'feedback and requests from the community'.

Cabbie Jon Lott, from Premier Taxis, said he was delighted that the signs have been changed.

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Image: Northamptonshire Telegraph

But he was disappointed that NNC still won't let private hire vehicles through - a decision which goes back to before the latest rule change.

He said: "It's a little win, but it will do."

NNC had previously said the August rule change was led by the former Kettering Borough Council and that there had been no objections in a consultation phase.

They said vehicles using the street during the day contributed to traffic congestion at the busy junction of Eskdaill Street, Lower Street and Rockingham Road, because a vehicle movement in Newland Street triggers the lights.

Mr Kane had said the decision to change the Newland Street rules was designed to address air pollution and congestion, as well as encouraging walking and cycling.

But he admitted the scheme had had 'unintended' consequences for residents with particular needs.

NNC agreed to look into reversing the decision after it was discussed at a Kettering Town Council meeting.

Author:  StuartW [ Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

Slightly off topic, but Kettering's fare card states the flagfall covers: "...distance does not exceed 6/12ths of one mile."

I'm sure there's a more straightforward way of expressing that :-s

To be fair, the phraseology is based on the fact that the meter increments are 'one twelfth of a mile', but that equates to 146 and two thirds of a yard. Or 146.6666666666666666666667 yards, rounded up, obviously :lol:

Maybe a bit easier just to work in whole yards, as per the vast majority of other councils? :idea:

Author:  edders23 [ Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

Sussex wrote:
Quote:
Tonight (Wednesday) Kettering Town Council will decide whether to lobby North Northamptonshire Council to reverse the decision immediately.

That council would have been consulted at the time the changes were being proposed, as no doubt where the cab trade.

One has to wonder if they both missed their chances then.



the original decision was a different council this new North Northamptonshire has replaced several medium sized ones

Author:  Sussex [ Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

Quote:
Slightly off topic, but Kettering's fare card states the flagfall covers: "...distance does not exceed 6/12ths of one mile."

I'm sure there's a more straightforward way of expressing that :-s

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Author:  edders23 [ Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

it's a numeracy test for the drivers :wink:

Author:  Chris the Fish [ Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

StuartW wrote:
that equates to 146 and two thirds of a yard. Or 146.6666666666666666666667 yards, rounded up, obviously :lol:

Well that equates to 146 yards and 2 feet. (Rounding corrected!)

:P

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

Well spotted, Chris :D

Sure I would normally have noticed that two thirds of a yard is two feet (was taught imperial measures at school in the 1970s!), but my mind was in the meter increments lane, so was thinking more in terms of the yardage increments in the taximeter, which I assume can't normally be programmed in terms of feet or inches!) :-o :oops:

Author:  Chris the Fish [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

Hi Stuart.

I think Taxi Meters can probably be set to do anything.

I am a Meter Agent but I update the Meters with a Tariff that someone else puts into the programmer.

I can set the "Mile" at 1760 yards or I can set the "Kilometre" at 1000 meters. I presume I could set the "Nautical Mile" at 2000 yards or the Roman Mile at 1620 yards. To be honest it matters not a jot and the best way is do an accurate measured mile in the vehicle and set that as "1".

All that matters is the main unit you are using is set at 1. Then the pulses generated are set for that. My own Cab is 8116 pulses to the Statute Mile.

I presume the person doing the Tariff will simply put 1 as the base unit then if the drops are 1/12 of a mile will programme "1/12".

In the case of a Tariff (which you quoted) the first distance is 6/12 of a mile so would be programmed as 1/2 of base unit, then successive drops at 1/12 of the base unit.

Put that in my Meter it would start with the Flagfall. At 4058 Pulses (1/2 Mile) it would add the amount per drop. At 4734 pulses it would go up again because 676 is 1/12 mile. (The missing 1/3 of a pulse is only a very small part of an inch and completely negligible.)

Hope this clarifies.

Author:  StuartW [ Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

Thanks, Chris. Had a 'fare' idea about how it all worked, but the base unit concept isn't something I was aware of.

But, as I've said in other threads, meters can presumably be set to deal with just about anything in terms of units, and particularly so with the more modern meters.

My Digitax model must be 20 years old at least, and the agent still has to manually reprogram it, as opposed to the straightforward software update on the newer models.

But, as I recollect it, don't think my meter could be reprogrammed in units smaller than one yard, but maybe that's related to how the base unit is set up in the first place.

(I could actually be wrong about my meter being programmed to units of less than one yard. Could be wrong, but if the drop is 175 yards, say, then the agent would key in 1750 at the relevant stage (no decimal). So maybe if the drop is 175 yards and 6 inches, then he would key in 1755, the second five representing half an inch as a decimal. So to that extent it could accommodate decimals of one yard to the nearest tenth, but not 3 inches, say, because that would be 0.25 of a yard, and if the meter could only accommodate 4 digits then the requisite 17525 couldn't be keyed in.

Of I may in fact be thinking of one of the other parameters :lol:

But I'm wondering if my meter could accomodate the West Berks flagfall of 377.1429 yards, or the drop of 123.2493 yards. I'd guess not, and that such a figure on the tariff card would need to be rounded. Of course, maybe more modern meters could be programmed to that level of detail, but again I suspect it depends on the particular meter.)

Author:  Chris the Fish [ Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Local councillors side with trade over Kettering access

OK Stuart,
Maybe 377.1429 yards has a more direct and sensible equivalent in meters, so make the the base unit 1 KM and put in 0.345 (which is 345 meters). The result is 377.297 yards. The difference is 15.41CM or about 6 inches.

As to the drop, about 134.787 meters.

Usually when you end up with such stupid Tariffs, the reason becomes clear.

Automated updating.

Some Computer Geek fresh out of Uni starts working for the Council. He or She looks around to what they can sort out. The Tariff is very "Number Crunchable" so he or she starts working things out. They take the average wage of someone working in the Licensing District, the cost per mile of an average vehicle from the AA or RAC, add a bit to average Insurance for Hire and Reward, cost of fuel, price of tyres and servicing and a whole lot of other "Data". Then their programme says something like Tariff needs to increase by 5.1234% and this can be achieved by making Flagfall Distance reduce by 6.234 meters and reducing the drops by 2.345 meters.

The Sage people at Licensing nod their collective heads and make the recommendation to the Councillors on the Taxi Committee. These Councillors are also "Blinded by the Science" and nod their collective heads too. The Trade don't really bother getting involved because it "Just Happens". The meter will work it out so why should they care.

Bottom line, a Tariff that makes no sense to anyone except a Computer Geek sat in a Council Office who is now busy crunching the numbers on the potential saving to made if the Council Olympic Swimming pool is reduced by a Gallon or 4.54 Litres and the temperature reduced by 1/10 of a degree F or it's equivalent in Degree C.

In some places this Geeks Cousin also interferes with the money side, so you end up with daftness like 21p per drop.

In all likelihood these Geeks predecessors used to work for the Post Office a few years ago and they had a good idea.........

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