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Author:  StuartW [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Glasgow HCs unhappy as flagfall distance to reduce six yards

Where to start with this? :roll:

Current sick charge just £23.50 :-o


Glasgow taxi fares to rise - and so is the charge for being sick in a cab

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glas ... e-23073397

A review found earnings had been slashed by around £5,000 a year and councillors heard how costs have 'ramped up significantly' since then.

Taxi costs in Glasgow are set to increase next month - and firms want a further rise after covid slashed drivers’ income by around £5,000 a year.

Minor changes to the fare scales will be made as the city’s licensing chiefs agreed to a 0.84% uplift.

However, the soiling charge — paid, for example, when a passenger is sick in a taxi — is going up from £23.50 to £35.

The changes are being made following a review of the period from February 2020 to February last year. The previous review led to 3.08% increases from March 2021.

Covid-19 left many drivers struggling and the situation has been exacerbated by cost rises, including for vehicles, fuels and maintenance.

Representatives from Glasgow Taxis and Unite’s Glasgow Cab Section called for further tariff changes, with one saying he is “not happy” with 0.84%.

Steven Grant, from Unite, had wanted to see “extras” charges, for more than three passengers, reintroduced to cover the cost of wear and tear to vehicles.

Dr James Cooper, of Taxi Research Partners Ltd, who carried out the review, recommended the 0.84% increase to the time and distance element of the taxi tariff.

This means £3.40 will be the maximum fare for a distance not exceeding 898 yards or time not exceeding 2 minutes 51 seconds, rather than 904 yards and 2 minutes 52 seconds.

It will then cost 20p for each additional 157 yards instead of 159.

However, Dr Cooper said “extras” are a “fairly blunt tool” and did not recommend using them in Glasgow.

He added costs had “ramped up significantly” since the conclusion of his analysis and called for a new review, for February 2021 to 2022, to “take account of the significant fluctuations in price”, which the committee agreed to.

“I do wish to express my understanding and sympathy to the trade, it has been a very difficult period of time,” he said.

Dr Cooper reported there was a very slight decline in the number of miles driven by Glasgow’s taxis before June 2018, which was then made worse “largely due to the rise of app-based alternatives”.

When lockdown began, there was a “very steep decline”. He said the average driver earnings had declined from £22,842 to £17,490.

He added the drop in income would be made worse “following this period of review by increases in other costs”.

Mr Grant said he was “not happy” with the 0.84% rise but realised it was for the period ending February 2021.

“It’s quite concerning that we are looking at a review that has got a start date that is two years old. The model we use at the moment is not reactive at all to the pressures that we face in real time.

“Our competitors in private hire have just put their fares up significantly to react to inflationary pressures.”

He called for “extras” to be added at 20p per person after the third person.

"Dundee is 50p per passenger after the first passenger, Edinburgh is 40p per passenger after the third passenger. This is to reflect wear and tear on the vehicle, fuel costs.”

Dr Cooper believes costs for carrying more passengers are better “placed in the fare”.

Robert McLean, from Glasgow Taxis, called for the soiling charge to be raised, which received support from councillors on the committee.

He also suggested the 0.84% rise should be delayed until after the next review due to the costs involved for drivers, who need to get their meter changed.

“That could be up to £52 or thereabouts and that 0.84% would take some time to be recovered.”

Mr Grant added: “I don’t think £23.50 reflects the cost of cleaning out your car, it can take you off the road for hours on end and might actually finish the night if it’s vomit.

“You could lose a whole shift over that because you just can’t get rid of the smell.”

Author:  StuartW [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Glasgow HCs unhappy as flagfall distance to reduce six y

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However, Dr Cooper said “extras” are a “fairly blunt tool” and did not recommend using them in Glasgow.

Blunt tool indeed - just like Dr Cooper's fare review :lol:

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Dr Cooper reported there was a very slight decline in the number of miles driven by Glasgow’s taxis before June 2018, which was then made worse “largely due to the rise of app-based alternatives”.

When lockdown began, there was a “very steep decline”. He said the average driver earnings had declined from £22,842 to £17,490.

Competition from Uber and PH pre-lockdown, then lockdown, then the driver 'shortage', now the fuel rises and other cost hikes, and all the figures are months behind anyway. All these numbers might as well just be plucked out of a hat :?

Mr Grant from Glasgow Taxis is bang on when he says: "The model we use at the moment is not reactive at all to the pressures that we face in real time."

It's a bit like the long-term version of comparing Uber's dynamic pricing to normal HC meter fares :?

But some of the comments on the website - fares might as well be going up 84%, 8.4% or the reality of 0.84% - these people would be saying precisely the same whatever the, er, hike :shock:

Author:  Sussex [ Sat Feb 12, 2022 7:32 pm ]
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Minor changes to the fare scales will be made as the city’s licensing chiefs agreed to a 0.84% uplift.

Inflation is currently 4,8% and is expected to rise further, yet some numpty licensing chiefs in Glasgow says the taxi trade should get a fraction of this.

Of course this isn't going to affect these licensing chiefs as they have spent the last two years at home watching Loose Women. [-(

Author:  heathcote [ Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:08 am ]
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Cannot understand why have someone carrying out a fare review who is based in Larne, Northern Ireland.

If they have to use outside bodies to come up with a tariff surely their is a body based in Scotland.

Author:  StuartW [ Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Glasgow HCs unhappy as flagfall distance to reduce six y

Well spotted. First noticed Dr Cooper maybe 20 years ago, when he was an economist at Napier University, and he seemed to specialise in taxi regulation, and had set up some sort of specialist unit there.

So I think he's done a few SUD surveys, fare reviews of the type in Glasgow, and represented the Scottish Taxi Federation in things like Scottish Parliament consultations, blah, blah.

But now it looks more like he's heading up some sort of commercial consultancy rather than attached to academia at Napier.

So not sure when that happened, and I may have been vaguely aware that he'd left Napier, but had maybe forgotten the precise details.

But the fact he's still doing Glasgow fare reviews is probably a legacy of when he was specifically based in Scotland.

Author:  Sussex [ Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:10 pm ]
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It does beg the question as to where the input is from the local trade.

They should have said they didn't need this boffin, inflation is X, fuel has gone up by Y, therefore we need a Z level of increase.

Author:  StuartW [ Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Glasgow HCs unhappy as flagfall distance to reduce six y

Councillors probably just think that as an 'expert', Dr Cooper will be able to balance all the competing interests.

And, more generally, it helps the council's decision-making processes to outsource it all to a third party specialist rather than taking the flak from those who'll inevitably be unhappy at the result.

And you won't need to be much of an expert to impress and bamboozle the average licensing councillor :wink:

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