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| Author: | StuartW [ Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
Crudely speaking, looks like they've got a T2 evening tariff in Cardiff, and a T3 starting at the more normal time. So it's the T3 fares that might go up 41% Cardiff council reveals plans to raise cab fares by up to 41% after fuel prices soar https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... s-25098338 The authority will consider an alternative proposal from a leading taxi firm before making a final decision ![]() Image: Richard Swingler/Wales Online Cardiff council has announced plans to increase cab fares in the city by up to 41%. It comes after a sharp rise in fuel costs earlier this year with taxi firms saying they face a "critical situation" if changes are not introduced. The proposal to raise fares by between 18% and 41% were first put forward by the council's cabinet in June with a public consultation taking place the following month. This consultation saw the council receive 226 letters of support from licensed drivers in the capital with many saying they were contemplating leaving the trade due to the financial pressures. However the council also received one objection from Dragon Taxis, which represents more than 800 licensed drivers in Cardiff. They have put forward an alternative proposal which the council will consider before making its final decision. In the individually signed but identical letters of support received by the council in July drivers claimed the trade was in a "critical situation due to inflationary pressures that have hit harder than other industries". They added that many drivers had left the trade after diesel costs rose by 61% between March 2018 and July 2022. Drivers also blamed the soaring average price of used cars, which rose by 32% between April 2021 and April 2022. "Many Hackney drivers have their plates on hold because they cannot make enough money to live on after expenses," the letter continued. "If the increase is not implemented our trade is on a downward spiral and there will be fewer Hackney taxis available." The new proposal is set to be debated by the Council's cabinet at its meeting on Wednesday, September 28. If adopted fares would rise by different rates depending on the length of the journey, the time of day, and the day of the week. The maximum charge for a 10-mile journey between 5am and 8pm from Monday to Friday would rise by 18.1% from £20.40 to £24.10. The same distance on weekday evenings (8pm-10pm) and between 5am and 10pm on Saturdays and Sundays would cost £26.70 – a rise of 30.1% on the current charge of £20.40. On any day between 10pm and 5am, and all day on Bank Holidays, a 10-mile journey would rise by 41.6% from £21.40 to £30.30. In the local authority league table for two-miles fares Cardiff is currently 161st (£6) but the proposed rise to £7.50 would lift it to 45th out of 358 council areas. However while the proposal has been supported by hundreds of taxi drivers across the city Dragon Taxis has submitted a counter-proposal suggesting a 13.43% increase for the average booking. The firm said: "A balance between what is fair for drivers and what is manageable for passengers has been the cornerstone of our applications." It added: "We also take the long-term view that the tariff increase must be considered carefully not to unfairly ‘punish' passengers to the extent that passenger demand is significantly impacted." Cllr Dan De'Ath, the council's cabinet member for transport and strategic planning, said: "We are very aware of the impact that the rise in fuel prices and used cars has had on the licensed cab trade and in these areas the rises have been far higher than the standard rate of inflation. But we have to balance the evidence of rising costs and fairness for drivers with consideration for the customer." In the report to cabinet members have been asked to decide between the original proposal or adopt the alternative suggestion from Dragon Taxis. Whichever proposal is approved a date of October 8 will likely be set for the changes to come into effect. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
Quote: The maximum charge for a 10-mile journey between 5am and 8pm from Monday to Friday would rise by 18.1% from £20.40 to £24.10. The same distance on weekday evenings (8pm-10pm) and between 5am and 10pm on Saturdays and Sundays would cost £26.70 – a rise of 30.1% on the current charge of £20.40. Don't understand that, because the current ten-mile fares on T1 and T2 are both stated as £20.40. So there's either an error, or maybe a new T2 tariff is being proposed between 8pm-10pm weekdays, and all day at weekends. But if it's the latter then it's certainly not explained in the article. Quote: On any day between 10pm and 5am, and all day on Bank Holidays, a 10-mile journey would rise by 41.6% from £21.40 to £30.30. This looks a bit ropey as well, because the current fare of £21.40 is only a pound more than the £20.40 T1 fare? Anyway, can't be bothered looking into it, but as portrayed in the article, they're certainly quite significant hikes in one go. On the other hand, they're certainly starting from quite a low base
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
Quote: However while the proposal has been supported by hundreds of taxi drivers across the city Dragon Taxis has submitted a counter-proposal suggesting a 13.43% increase for the average booking. The firm said: "A balance between what is fair for drivers and what is manageable for passengers has been the cornerstone of our applications." It added: "We also take the long-term view that the tariff increase must be considered carefully not to unfairly ‘punish' passengers to the extent that passenger demand is significantly impacted." As we know it's down to councillors to set taxi fares. Still, I do hope the councillors deciding on this application will give considerably more weight to hundreds of taxi drivers' views than to one private hire operator. |
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| Author: | CardiffGent [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
StuartW wrote: However the council also received one objection from Dragon Taxis, which represents more than 800 licensed drivers in Cardiff... They may have 800 drivers on their books but they most certainly do not represent them. |
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| Author: | CardiffGent [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
StuartW wrote: Quote: The maximum charge for a 10-mile journey between 5am and 8pm from Monday to Friday would rise by 18.1% from £20.40 to £24.10. The same distance on weekday evenings (8pm-10pm) and between 5am and 10pm on Saturdays and Sundays would cost £26.70 – a rise of 30.1% on the current charge of £20.40. Don't understand that, because the current ten-mile fares on T1 and T2 are both stated as £20.40. So there's either an error, or maybe a new T2 tariff is being proposed between 8pm-10pm weekdays, and all day at weekends. But if it's the latter then it's certainly not explained in the article. Quote: On any day between 10pm and 5am, and all day on Bank Holidays, a 10-mile journey would rise by 41.6% from £21.40 to £30.30. This looks a bit ropey as well, because the current fare of £21.40 is only a pound more than the £20.40 T1 fare? Anyway, can't be bothered looking into it, but as portrayed in the article, they're certainly quite significant hikes in one go. On the other hand, they're certainly starting from quite a low base ![]() In Cardiff, at present, we only have 2 tariffs. T1 is 6am -midnight T2 is midnight to 6am which is only £1 extra. 2018 was the last rise if memory serves me right and this one is long over due. The headline figure, as always, is highly misleading. Yes, fares will be 41% more but only if you travel between 10pm and 5am. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
Quote: Yes, fares will be 41% more but only if you travel between 10pm and 5am. At about the same time Uber charges 100/200/300% more. |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Wed Sep 28, 2022 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
CardiffGent wrote: They may have 800 drivers on their books but they most certainly do not represent them. Yes, the word 'represent' in the context of a despatch office means something a bit different to 'represent' in terms of a union or association, but that's probably lost on the average member of the public reading the article (or indeed, the average licensing councillor). But, would I be right in saying that, unlike the other Veezu group operations like Amber in Leeds and Go Carz in Shropshire, Dragon does have HCs on its books as opposed to the more standard Veezu model of PH-only? Also, is there a new evening tariff being introduced? |
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| Author: | CardiffGent [ Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
Common sense has prevailed and the council approved Unites raise and disregarded Dragons |
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| Author: | CardiffGent [ Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
StuartW wrote: CardiffGent wrote: They may have 800 drivers on their books but they most certainly do not represent them. Yes, the word 'represent' in the context of a despatch office means something a bit different to 'represent' in terms of a union or association, but that's probably lost on the average member of the public reading the article (or indeed, the average licensing councillor). But, would I be right in saying that, unlike the other Veezu group operations like Amber in Leeds and Go Carz in Shropshire, Dragon does have HCs on its books as opposed to the more standard Veezu model of PH-only? Also, is there a new evening tariff being introduced? Yes they do have hacks not a great deal in comparison tho. They are on a pay by job fee rather than a percentage commission the PHV are on. There will be 3 tariffs from now. A weekday one 5am -8pm T1; an evening one 8pm-10pm T2; and a night one 10pm-5am T3, the weekend days 5am-10pm will be the evening tariff - T2 |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cardiff conflict as nighttime fares may rise by 41% |
Thanks - that explains some of the odd figures in the article. But that's maybe typical of press reporting on such matters - if they'd mentioned the simple fact that the tariff timings were being restructured then things would have been a lot clearer... |
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