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Author:  StuartW [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:27 pm ]
Post subject:  NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hurdles

This is a bit of slog, and most of it has been well rehearsed on here before. Almost didn't bother with it, but the paragraph from the operators about their business model is a tad different - for a change, at least they're honest :?

The official response about 'managing running costs' and 'unsocial hours' being a deterrent are also a bit different from the norm...

And the official response also pretty firm on not substantially watering down the theory test etc :-o


NI taxis: Bosses highlight further decline as 61 operators leave industry in two years

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belf ... r-25699761

There are now 1,290 fewer taxi licences compared to 2020

There are now 61 fewer taxi operators and 1,895 licenced taxis on Northern Ireland's roads compared to two years ago, new figures show.

It comes just as many people are enjoying a night out in Belfast city centre over the festive season but face the worry that they may miss their last bus or train home and not be able to get a taxi.

The issue has become something of an ordeal over recent months, particularly at weekends, due to no late buses or trains outside the Christmas period and around 30% fewer taxi drivers than pre-pandemic.

The NI Licensed Taxi Operators Association (LTOA) has claimed that "two years of inaction" by the Department for Infrastructure (DfI) has forced more taxi operators to cease trading, taking over 1,800 licensed taxis off our roads.

Latest figures indicate that there are currently 1,290 fewer taxi licences compared to two years ago, now standing at 8,077. There are 61 fewer taxi operators, now 1,260 in total and 1,895 fewer licenced taxis, now standing at 6,828.

The LTOA, which represents a group of mainly large private hire taxi operators here, says there are simply now too few taxis and taxi drivers to meet passenger demand across Northern Ireland especially during anti-social hours at evenings and weekends.

They add that the industry is also finding it difficult to recruit more because of the licence testing regime despite high levels of interest.

A LTOA spokesperson added: "This results in passengers being unable to book, delays for passengers who have booked, and a free for all for those passengers trying to hail taxis at peak times with the price bartering that occurs when taxis are in such short supply.

"Most taxi drivers are self-employed in Northern Ireland and many of them, like the rest of society, have looked at their work life balance during the pandemic.

"Drivers have decided it is not worth their while driving the extra hours especially evenings and weekends on the current DfI fare structure when there are additional challenges for working these hours."

Taxi firms have previously warned the industry here is in crisis due to a range of factors, including the introduction of tougher entry requirements for drivers in 2013 and the impact of Covid. A consultation with the industry over measures was held by DfI in September 2021.

The LTOA has been campaigning for over two years for changes to the process for becoming a taxi driver. Prior to 2014, prospective drivers needed to have three years continuous driving experience on a standard licence and pass a medical and an enhanced Access NI check.

But in 2014 a bespoke taxi theory and practical test was also introduced to help improve standards in the industry, increase road safety and provide additional assurance to passengers.

Currently only around 22% on average are passing the theory element, which the LTOA says "remains unacceptably low compared to other licence types".

Those in the industry say more taxi drivers are needed and the current testing process needs to be temporarily rolled back to where it was in 2013 to allow driver numbers to recover.

The LTOA added: "The taxi industry is doing everything it can to address these issues, particularly in bringing more drivers into the sector. We have responded to the DfI fare consultation with our proposals and we continue to engage with the Driver and Vehicle Agency (DVA) on driver enforcement.

"Operators are continually recruiting for more drivers and there is no lack of interest in the roles, rather a DfI blockage in getting new drivers through the licencing process.

"Taxi operators have a business model where their income increases when the number of drivers they have increases. In other words, it's in our interest to have more drivers and address these problems, but there is only so much we can do within the current legislation and in the absence of an Assembly

"Unfortunately, until we have an Infrastructure Minister in post, and one who is prepared to address these chronic problems, nothing will happen quickly, if at all."

In response, a DfI spokesperson said the department has no direct role in the recruitment or retention policies that taxi operators have in place but is responsible for the regulation of the taxi industry.

They added: “This role requires balancing the needs of taxi customers, including vulnerable passengers, as well as drivers and operators. DfI remains committed to working within this remit to play its part, alongside those in the taxi industry, to address the range of issues the industry faces.

“The taxi industry operates within the wider context of the existing economic situation and there are many factors that contribute to the current shortage of taxi drivers.

“As we recover from the Covid pandemic potential drivers will compare the industry to other driving jobs, including those that do not require them to be responsible for managing running costs, or that involve unsociable hours.

“All of these factors influence the attractiveness of the industry, both to existing licenced taxi drivers that are choosing not to drive for the industry at present, as well as potential new recruits."

Back in August, an eight week public consultation on an 2022 taxi fares review was launched by the then Infrastructure Minister John O’Dowd noting that many people may not be able to afford increased fares with the ongoing cost of living crisis.

In November last year, Mr O’Dowd's predecessor Nichola Mallon announced a 7.6% increase in the maximum fare as part of a post-Covid support package for the industry, and to encourage new drivers.

In addition, financial support schemes were made available to new drivers who successfully obtained their taxi driver licences from April 2021 to March 2022. To date, 74 new drivers have received refunds of their fees.

Ms Mallon also committed to initiating a further fare review in Spring 2022, based on updated data, which commenced in March. However, after May’s Assembly elections in which Ms Mallon failed to be re-elected to her North Belfast seat, taxi fares have remained unchanged.

The DfI spokesperson added: “The public consultation addressed issues such as increases in fuel, vehicle maintenance costs, depot fees and different fare bands for evening/weekends. DfI officials have prepared a synopsis of the consultation responses and a paper on the way forward.

“It is intended that the next steps regarding any decisions which were not able to be taken while the Minister was in office will now be considered in light of the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation etc) Act 2022 and related guidance.

“The process of obtaining a taxi driver licence is prescribed in legislation. The Taxi Driver Theory Test was introduced for new drivers in October 2014, to help improve standards in the industry, increase road safety, provide additional assurance to passengers, and raise the reputation of the industry as a provider of a quality service.

“Since its introduction, the Driver and Vehicle Agency has made a number of changes to the testing regime to help potential drivers into the industry. At 80% the pass mark for the taxi driver theory test is the lowest required pass mark of all vocational theory tests.

“Maintaining a meaningful standard, similar to that applying to other professional drivers, supports the overarching reasons for introducing the test in the first place and any further easements would render it ineffective.

“The DVA has significantly improved signposting where candidates perform poorly to help them focus on the areas where improvement is necessary before they sit the test again.

“The DVA has recently reviewed the available training material and a revision aid to help candidates prepare for their taxi theory test was published on 23 September.”

Author:  Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hur

This is not a surprise and I am surprised this is not a more serious national issue.

It was a problem I had when I ran my business.

The application process is too long and many drivers were either put off to begin with or lost interest halfway through the application process or got another job elsewhere etc.

I think what minimizes the issue is that many drivers once they are in the industry stay in it for a long time so there is not a lot of drivers surrendering their badges.

This keeps the numbers at least stable and what drivers do leave the industry are replaced by the few new successful applicants.

However, I do think this issue will get worse over time because the councils are not only not making the process easier but actually making it even harder and more problematic.

It is very hard for taxi businesses (especially small ones) to grow because they cannot get enough new drivers quick enough to deal with any rapid growth in their company.

I feel for any small and medium size taxi business in this state of affairs.

Author:  StuartW [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hur

Quote:
A LTOA spokesperson added: "This results in passengers being unable to book, delays for passengers who have booked, and a free for all for those passengers trying to hail taxis at peak times with the price bartering that occurs when taxis are in such short supply.

"Most taxi drivers are self-employed in Northern Ireland and many of them, like the rest of society, have looked at their work life balance during the pandemic.

"Drivers have decided it is not worth their while driving the extra hours especially evenings and weekends on the current DfI fare structure when there are additional challenges for working these hours."

Bit of a contradiction there - in one breath, complaining about excess fares at times of peak demand, but saying drivers won't work those hours because of the official fare structure, and because they're not earning enough.

But, as per the likes of the recent stuff from Aberdeen, it's probably not so much the money at that time of night than simply not wanting to work at that time and with those punters for any money.

Author:  edders23 [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:05 pm ]
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As a general rule if the money that can be earned is "big" loads want a piece of the pie if it means long hours to earn a descent amount peoples attitude is "wouldn't get out of bed for that"

the application process is long winded but it has to be for the sake of the checks and balances if people genuinely want the job they'll wait.

Author:  Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hur

edders23 wrote:
As a general rule if the money that can be earned is "big" loads want a piece of the pie if it means long hours to earn a descent amount peoples attitude is "wouldn't get out of bed for that"

the application process is long winded but it has to be for the sake of the checks and balances if people genuinely want the job they'll wait.


I disagree with your comment that if people want the job they will wait.

Firstly, they might not have the funds to pay for their licence.

Secondly, their circumstances might dictate they need a job immediately and for many reasons cannot afford to wait for a license.

Lastly, during their application process they could have found a better paying job and decide to abandon their application process.

Bottom line is the application process limits the amount of drivers entering the trade.

It is not necessary and I may remind you that licensing was not a requirement not too long ago. And from what I can tell there were less problems in relation to safety than there is now.

Taxi driving is driving a car. All drivers are already licensed to do that.

It's not a train or a plane or anything else that they are not qualified to do.

Just get a copy of their drivers license and job done.

Author:  edders23 [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:17 pm ]
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Quote:
Just get a copy of their drivers license and job done.


that would be an easy way in for drug dealers, paedophiles, rapists, tax evaders and more maybe less of a problem before the era of mass immigration but not now !

Author:  Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hur

Valid point in relation to immigration. It's a different country now to back then.

However, there have been many taxi drivers found guilty of possession of large amounts of drugs particularly cocaine over the years.

Almost every issue of PHTM shows a driver found guilty of possession. So licensing does not prevent or even minimize drug running etc. Furthermore, how many are doing it that have not being caught? Probably significantly more than the amount of people who have been caught. In all likelihood there are sophisticated networks around the country doing it.

How many drivers over the years have been found guilty of raping women? Many from all around the country.

I don't see how licensing prevents tax evasion. A lot of jobs are cash based so that can easily go undeclared. I am sure many in the industry are not declaring their total earnings. I don't blame them even if they do. They don't earn much in the first place. Even if all transactions are card based you would still get people giving distorted earnings.

Author:  edders23 [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hur

Quote:
I don't see how licensing prevents tax evasion.


don't forget that you now have to demonstrate that you are registered for tax when applying. Doesn't make it impossible but much harder

Author:  Sussex [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hur

Putting prices up help, but it's not a panacea.

What happens then is drivers earn their money without the need to work until silly o'clock.

Author:  Rebel-Taxi-Driver [ Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NI's driver shortage persists as ops blame new badge hur

Sussex wrote:
Putting prices up help, but it's not a panacea.

What happens then is drivers earn their money without the need to work until silly o'clock.


All drivers would work at silly o'clock.

The price has to be right.

Who in their right mind would work into the early hours putting their life at risk and dealing with drunken idiots for peanuts?

There always has to be an incentive.

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