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| Author: | StuartW [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per trip |
A bus service, strictly speaking, but it's effectively a taxi service for a fixed price and costing a huge public subsidy Taxi-style bus service can’t be replicated in Cambridgeshire due to ‘huge’ cost https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/ ... o-9327077/ ![]() Image: Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority/Cambridge Independent An opposition councillor has spoken out about the ‘huge’ cost to taxpayers of running a taxi-style bus that charges customers just £2 a trip after a survey found 94 per cent of users preferred it to regular buses. Ting, a service that covers rural areas in West Huntingdonshire, costs the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority £425,000 a year to run and has been operating since October 2021.The service is not fixed to a specific route or timetable. Instead, passengers use an app to order the minibus to pick them up from even the most remote locations and travel any one-way ride for just £2. But Cllr Anna Bailey, Conservative leader of East Cambridgeshire District Council, has warned the Combined Authority that the taxi-style service could never be rolled out to other areas in the county due to the operational costs it incurs and that it is more expensive than any other bus service in the county. She said: “The cost of running this service compared with any other in the county is absolutely huge. But ultimately, it’s the single most expensive, subsidised bus service at £425,000 a year, operating in an area that already has three scheduled bus services anyway, whereas other areas of the county don’t have anything at all. And if it’s so fantastic, then obviously we should be rolling it out everywhere, but the reality is that the Combined Authority cannot possibly afford it. “No wonder people like being able to call what is effectively a taxi for just £2 a trip – who wouldn’t? But we can’t use this as an example to bring in for the rest of the county, so it doesn’t make any sense.” Cllr Bailey has previously pointed out that every single journey taken on Ting in its first year of operation cost £16.20 in public subsidy. A Combined Authority survey of 296 people who have used Ting found that 94 per cent preferred the taxi-style service to regular bus services. Of the people surveyed, a higher percentage of young people, aged under 20, used Ting compared to regular buses, 20 per cent for Ting compared to just 3 per cent for regular buses. Some 51 per cent of people aged 21-59 also opted to travel on Ting buses compared to 33 per cent for regular buses. A higher number of people aged over 60, however, chose to travel on regular buses over Ting, at 63 per cent compared to 19 per cent. The Combined Authority said it would look at ways to make Ting more attractive to older residents. The survey revealed people used Ting for a variety of reasons, including commuting to work, education, health services, errands, childcare, government or social services and leisure. Three times as many people opted to use Ting to commute to and from work over conventional buses. The Combined Authority’s deputy mayor, Labour’s Anna Smith, who is a Cambridge city councillor, said: “These are really encouraging results and point to the success of Ting so far. Services like Ting are an innovative way of ensuring that more people, especially in rural areas, have access to a bus service that gets them where they need to be. I’m thrilled to see so many people using this service for both work and leisure. I am particularly encouraged to see the numbers of young people using the service. “The results of this survey tie in with the stories that we hear from residents. I have, for instance, recently been told about a young mum, living in a remote village, who couldn’t drive because of a recent surgery, but who was able to get out and about because of Ting. “I look forward to seeing the next steps for Ting, as we hope to roll it out to more areas as part of our ambitious bus reform programme.” Peter Nathanail, commercial and operations director at Vectare, which operates Ting on behalf of the Combined Authority, said: “I’m delighted with these survey results, and this shows that there are innovative and effective ways of improving public transport in rural areas. This has positive social, environmental, and economic effects. We’re proud to provide both the technology and vehicles and drivers for Ting in partnership with the Combined Authority.” |
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| Author: | StuartW [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per |
Cllr Anna Bailey, Conservative leader of East Cambridgeshire District Council, wrote: “No wonder people like being able to call what is effectively a taxi for just £2 a trip – who wouldn’t? But we can’t use this as an example to bring in for the rest of the county, so it doesn’t make any sense.” That's the long and the short of it, as opposed to the PR and gaslighting from the other two later in the piece. Quote: A Combined Authority survey of 296 people who have used Ting found that 94 per cent preferred the taxi-style service to regular bus services. Who'd have expected that? I'm surprised it's only 94 per cent That's about as useful as telling as that 94 per cent of turkeys would like to avoid Christmas
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| Author: | edders23 [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per |
This is simply another version of the "purple buses" but door to door instead of a bus stop and if it's anything like the purple buses then it's probably being used by people who could afford a taxi but why shell out for one when you can get your moneys worth out of your rates |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per |
If it's basically costing each punter £18 a run, why not just use cabs? Get three or four punters in at a time, or even an 8-seater and the council will be saving council taxpayers money. And making a few cab drivers happy.
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| Author: | edders23 [ Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per |
Sussex wrote: If it's basically costing each punter £18 a run, why not just use cabs? Get three or four punters in at a time, or even an 8-seater and the council will be saving council taxpayers money. And making a few cab drivers happy. ![]() no it doesn't work that way these services have to be operated using licensed bus/coaches with drivers on PAYE government transport subsidies are not to be used on "self employed" drivers for the same reason that you cannot advertise self employed job opportunities via job centers |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per |
I'm pretty certain taxi buses could be used.
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| Author: | edders23 [ Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per |
Sussex wrote: I'm pretty certain taxi buses could be used. ![]() I haven't even seen one of these tenders for about 15 years but at one time that used to be the case with Rutland but maybe it's now changed. |
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| Author: | roythebus [ Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fixed £2 'taxi' service in Cambs costs taxpayer £16 per |
All these services are operated under PSV licencing laws. It's no surprise to me that the subsidy is so high. I was recently approached by a local Labour councillor in my area who was looking to start a similar scheme in my area. I told him it was a complete waste of time and tax payers money as the county council had just cut all fundng for its experimental dial-a-ride/taxibus/call-it-what-you-will due to the amount of subsidy. One of the local bus companies I work for had a number of these services and all were withdrawn earlier in the year due to government transport funding cuts. the county also cut funding for little-used local bus services. One I drove occasionally took an average of 8 passengers a day and they were all on concessionary passes so didn't pay! The only bit that did pay was the school run before and after the middle day lull. I quoted several such undertakings that have ceased trading including one with over 600 mini-buses! another had ceased trading due to breaches of PSV licencing regulations. Minibuses aren't that cheap to run these days. These service may work in some areas, but in most areas they cost a fortune to run with no return on capital invested. Some rough costings of running a minibus: Initial cost of a typical 16 seat PSV (must be PASVAR accessible), £130k, annual insurance £3k or more, PSV driver £15/hour plus annual leave, training, Driver CPC course, off road parking for said minibuses, maybe £200/month in the open, operators licence fee is free, but must have £9500 reserves in the bank plus £7500 for any additional licences, must have a professional transport manager, maybe £30k part-time, GPS tracker for bus stop information, ticket machines that are compatible to national standards... It's probably cheaper to use a decent second-hand Euro 6 small bus! I'd suggest a lot of these minibus ideas work on the principle of volunteer drivers, but who are they going to get to undertake this work? With a retired person still wanting to drive PSVs, the wage is quite a lot higher than a non-existant volunteer. I know from my current situation.
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